2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

[Old Pio]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

My dream scenario is that Romney wins the popular vote, but loses the electoral college. That way, there might be actual bipartisan support to get an amendment passed to get rid of the electoral college.

I doubt that would happen under any circumstances. I'm reminded that Reagan used to point out that the country is called the United States of America. And the states are not merely 50 administrative districts of the central government. Which is why, BTW, that we should condition our continued participation in and support of the UN on us getting 50 votes in the General Assembly. Just like the Soviet Union got votes for each of its "independent republics."

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I doubt that would happen under any circumstances.

I would imagine that enough Republicans would be ready to can the Electoral College if that scenario happened, that their numbers combined with the Democrats would be enough to either get rid of or marginalize the Electoral College.

 

[aparch]

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There is a small contingent of states who have agreed to give their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner.

Which confuses me because I thought the electoral college was put in place to give a more equal footing for the states. It's already bad enough where Detroit carries Michigan and Chicago carries Illinois, but the electoral college helps make sure that say Wisconsin and Minnesota aren't stuck with whoever Chicago and Detroit want.

Maybe the change that needs to be made is the awarding of electoral votes to the senate districts (ala Omaha, and Maine?).

It would be interesting to see maps of how that breakdown would have affected prior elections.

 

[Old Pio]

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I would imagine that enough Republicans would be ready to can the Electoral College if that scenario happened, that their numbers combined with the Democrats would be enough to either get rid of or marginalize the Electoral College.

Anything's possible. It would be a bad idea, IMO, under any circumstances.

I'll again quote Teddy White, when the idea of direct presidential votes was suggested to him live, on CBS: "What, and turn the election of POTUS over to those crooks in Texas and Illinois?"

 

[Rover]

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For all the rhetoric one has to ask a simple question. Why exactly is Romney still campaigning in Virginia? If he's expanding the map, what gives?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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There is a small contingent of states who have agreed to give their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner.

Who?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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There is a small contingent of states who have agreed to give their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner.

Which confuses me because I thought the electoral college was put in place to give a more equal footing for the states. It's already bad enough where Detroit carries Michigan and Chicago carries Illinois, but the electoral college helps make sure that say Wisconsin and Minnesota aren't stuck with whoever Chicago and Detroit want.

Maybe the change that needs to be made is the awarding of electoral votes to the senate districts (ala Omaha, and Maine?).

It would be interesting to see maps of how that breakdown would have affected prior elections.

Senate districts?

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

There is a small contingent of states who have agreed to give their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner.

Which confuses me because I thought the electoral college was put in place to give a more equal footing for the states. It's already bad enough where Detroit carries Michigan and Chicago carries Illinois, but the electoral college helps make sure that say Wisconsin and Minnesota aren't stuck with whoever Chicago and Detroit want.

Maybe the change that needs to be made is the awarding of electoral votes to the senate districts (ala Omaha, and Maine?).

It would be interesting to see maps of how that breakdown would have affected prior elections.

I'm sure you meant "house" districts.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

There is a small contingent of states who have agreed to give their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner.

Which confuses me because I thought the electoral college was put in place to give a more equal footing for the states. It's already bad enough where Detroit carries Michigan and Chicago carries Illinois, but the electoral college helps make sure that say Wisconsin and Minnesota aren't stuck with whoever Chicago and Detroit want.

Maybe the change that needs to be made is the awarding of electoral votes to the senate districts (ala Omaha, and Maine?).

It would be interesting to see maps of how that breakdown would have affected prior elections.

The whole point of the Electoral College was so that the people wouldn't decide the winner (for fear that they would elect some crazy psycho that would lead the country down the wrong path).

What I find entirely odd is why should my vote (in Colorado) be more important than say someone in Wyoming? Shouldn't everyone's vote be equal?

 

[Old Pio]

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For all the rhetoric one has to ask a simple question. Why exactly is Romney still campaigning in Virginia? If he's expanding the map, what gives?

Why is His Benghaziness in Iowa?

I'm sure you remember where Bush and Gore spent the last day in '00. Bush in: Missouri, West Virginia and Tennessee . Gore in Florida, where he pulled an all-nighter. And it very nearly worked. But if he'd been able to carry Tennessee, which he and his father had represented in the House and Senate, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Anything's possible. It would be a bad idea, IMO, under any circumstances.

I'll again quote Teddy White, when the idea of direct presidential votes was suggested to him live, on CBS: "What, and turn the election of POTUS over to those crooks in Texas and Illinois?"

Wouldn't it be easier to turn the election under the electoral college? Certainly coming up with a few extra votes in just a couple of important states would be easier than trying to manufacture hundreds of thousands of extra votes throughout the country.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Why is His Benghaziness in Iowa?

I'm sure you remember where Bush and Gore spent the last day in '00. Bush in: Missouri, West Virginia and Tennessee . Gore in Florida, where he pulled an all-nighter. And it very nearly worked. But if he'd been able to carry Tennessee, which he and his father had represented in the House and Senate, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

Gore lost TN by 80k votes, and won FL by about 1k votes...I think he made the right decision...no way was he going to change the minds of 41k Tennesseans for a few hours of campaigning.

 

[aparch]

I'm sure you meant "house" districts.

Indeed I did. Had a brain fart while typing on my work phone.



Scooby: It's the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
Surprisingly a lot of Dem states.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

 

[burd]

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Why is His Benghaziness in Iowa?

I'm sure you remember where Bush and Gore spent the last day in '00. Bush in: Missouri, West Virginia and Tennessee . Gore in Florida, where he pulled an all-nighter. And it very nearly worked. But if he'd been able to carry Tennessee, which he and his father had represented in the House and Senate, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

Wasn't gonna happen. Bush had the moonshine addled hill people locked up. His strongest base and now Romney's hope.

 

[Old Pio]

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Wasn't gonna happen. Bush had the moonshine addled hill people locked up. His strongest base and now Romney's hope.

An important demographic pretty consistently under reported, given their proclivity to shoot at people from the "big city" or "up north" or "who have a full set of natural teeth." "Dualing Banjos" anyone?

 

[Old Pio]

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Gore lost TN by 80k votes, and won FL by about 1k votes...I think he made the right decision...no way was he going to change the minds of 41k Tennesseans for a few hours of campaigning.

Sorry, Charlie. Gore did not win Florida. Not legally. Not based on his highly selective "recounts" and not even based on any of the various media "recount" scenarios, but one. The scenario where "overvotes" were tabulated. It doesn't take an expert on these matters to realize you only get one vote for President.

Gore's strategy of contesting Florida at the end was sound. However, he most assuredly did not win Florida.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Sorry, Charlie. Gore did not win Florida. Not legally. Not based on his highly selective "recounts" and not even based on any of the various media "recount" scenarios, but one. The scenario where "overvotes" were tabulated. It doesn't take an expert on these matters to realize you only get one vote for President.

LOL

Given the GOP's current record on voting laws in this country I beg to differ.

 

[Old Pio]

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LOL

Given the GOP's current record on voting laws in this country I beg to differ.

Still got butthurt, do ya Bunky? Jeb Bush should have gotten a refund for his vaunted "voter suppression" efforts in Florida, given that the black turnout was up 60% from '96!

Non sequitor alert: what do current GOP efforts on voter ID have to do with media recounts in Florida a dozen years ago?

 

[burd]

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An important demographic pretty consistently under reported, given their proclivity to shoot at people from the "big city" or "up north" or "who have a full set of natural teeth."

Sounds like Gurtholfin's view of Sioux fans.

 

[Old Pio]

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Sounds like Gurtholfin's view of Sioux fans.

The only thing missing is "green" modifying "teeth."