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2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

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Iran in particular would also be symbolically valuable for the GOP since it plays into their "It's Jimmy Carter again" meme-attempt.

Of course, if the Iranian government were to fall in a Tehran Spring, the whole ridiculous "the Dems lost Iran" talking point would be converted into a "Obama reclaimed Iran" talking point. And once the Republicans have lost the fiscal prudence and foreign policy and terrorism issues, what do they have left? The 3 G's will carry the south and Wyoming and not much else.
 
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In other news, the South continuing to get more and more EVs won't help the GOP if that population growth comes from Dem constituencies (northeastern retirees, Hispanics). Well, it will help them... right up until that fateful Tipping Point day after which it will hurt like hell.

Which won't happen for decades, right? I wondered about that and was reading about America's Mordor. This sentence really jumped out:

In 2002, there were 10 white Democrats in the Texas House delegation; today there is one.
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Given Obama's track record on foreign policy, one would have to think an Iran confrontation, essentually where US Navy ships are blowing whatever the Iranians throw out there to hell, is going to favor the President strongly. Look, like it or not he's cleaned up in two instances (Libya and OBL) where his Republican predecessors failed. Who thinks Obama wouldn't use force in this situation? It'd be like a re-election year gift to him, especially since the GOP is dead set against anything he does - you'd have the Mittster joining Ron Paul in sticking up for the Iranians!

Regarding Hunstsman as VP, not sure that works if Romney's the nominee as they're essentually the same person. IMHO Romney and the party needs to do something different with their VP pick to appeal outside of the old, white, 60+, angry and left behind crowd that makes up their base. They're already giving up the foreign policy issue (a strong one for them for years) and are taking Evangelicals for granted by nominating someone from outside their religion. Since Romney's not a red meat conservative, they really need someone who's going to excite these people.
 
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Romney wins Iowa and the race bores us and the national media to tears until election day.

I can't wait to get my flip flops out.
 
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Rover said:
Given Obama's track record on foreign policy, one would have to think an Iran confrontation, essentually where US Navy ships are blowing whatever the Iranians throw out there to hell, is going to favor the President strongly. Look, like it or not he's cleaned up in two instances (Libya and OBL) where his Republican predecessors failed. Who thinks Obama wouldn't use force in this situation? It'd be like a re-election year gift to him, especially since the GOP is dead set against anything he does - you'd have the Mittster joining Ron Paul in sticking up for the Iranians!

Regarding Hunstsman as VP, not sure that works if Romney's the nominee as they're essentually the same person. IMHO Romney and the party needs to do something different with their VP pick to appeal outside of the old, white, 60+, angry and left behind crowd that makes up their base. They're already giving up the foreign policy issue (a strong one for them for years) and are taking Evangelicals for granted by nominating someone from outside their religion. Since Romney's not a red meat conservative, they really need someone who's going to excite these people.
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Killing one guy and corn holing then killing another is not a foreign policy, even if I approve.
 
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Rover said:
he's cleaned up in two instances (Libya and OBL) where his Republican predecessors failed.
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Obama cleaned up Libya? I think the approved (though false) talking point is that he saved Iraq. Perhaps that's what you meant.

Cleaning up OBL was huge, though. But I already forgot about that, since it was before this week's Twilight movie came out and the Kardashians got married or whatever.
 
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geezer said:
Obama cleaned up Libya? I think the approved (though false) talking point is that he saved Iraq. Perhaps that's what you meant.

Cleaning up OBL was huge, though. But I already forgot about that, since it was before this week's Twilight movie came out and the Kardashians got married or whatever.
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Obama the ditherer had no choice on taking out bin lauden (thanks to GWB and enhanced interrogation techniques) if he had not approved the mission and it got out that he didn't.... It would of been Mississippi burning.... Impeachment would of been 1/2 his troubles.
 
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I don't know, I don't agree that taking out OBL was a "gutsy call" as was being pushed back in May. At the same time, I think team Obama will rightfully get some decent mileage out of the fact that Mitt is on tape saying he wouldn't order a raid into Pakistan.

Anyways, as I've said before, when it comes to killing U.S. citizens without a trial, we all know who's the best. Congrats on that hope and change stuff guys, really fantastic.
 
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fwiw:
"It is, and I don't think it can be explained by anything that the president has done in a positive way," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said about President Obama's rising approving ratings. "I think it's explicable by two things. The first is the ridiculous way that the Republicans have conducted themselves in the Congress, particularly in the last couple weeks where they were given a victory early on, and they kicked it away and achieved really nothing in terms of cutting spending or any of their real objectives, but suffered politically, making Obama look like at least a grown-up.

"And second, I think, is a year-long, almost year-long exposure now to a weak Republican field. The fact that Santorum is the last standing alternative. Think of how this has gone. Trump, Bachmann, Perry, then Cain, then Newt, who is really in decline now, Ron Paul, who is on the ascent, but he's not electable, and now Santorum. Every single alternative is going to get a try or looks as if it's going to get a try because the field is unhappy with, or the electorate in large part is unhappy with Romney. He's stable, he's sober, but he's considered ideologically suspect.

"Imagine if you'd had a race with a Mitch Daniels, with a Paul Ryan, Christie, Jindal and others, Sen. Thune. It would have had a completely different complexion. And I think with some of the sort of embarrassing candidates like Cain and others along the way, it has made the president who is by who he is, presidential, look better. And I think that explains the reason his numbers are up. He's been a passive observer to this. And the Republicans in Congress and also in this race have not actually distinguished themselves," Krauthammer concluded.
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WeWantMore said:
Anyways, as I've said before, when it comes to killing U.S. citizens without a trial, we all know who's the best.
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Even I wouldn't go so far as to say that. Yet at least 'history is judging him'.
 
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Slap Shot said:
fwiw:
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After being above water at Christmas, he was back down to 41/50 in the Gallup daily tracker on Thursday. I don't think his approval ratings truly are rising. Last year Obama received a bump around this time as well, but was back to floundering around in the low 40s pretty quickly before another bump post-Osama.

Which isn't to ay Krauthammer is wrong on any of the other points.
 
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WeWantMore said:
After being above water at Christmas, he was back down to 41/50 in the Gallup daily tracker on Thursday. I don't think his approval ratings truly are rising.
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His popularity may just be finding its real level after recovering from his portion of blame for the debt ceiling fiasco. The interesting part of which is that Congress hasn't recovered -- they are still heading south.

Anybody's guess whether those flat line overall approval ratings will really translate into major changes in Congress, though. With gerrymandering voters have almost no control over House elections. The Senate's at least potentially a different story. The GOP sure hopes it can ride anti-incumbent feelings to 6-8 pickups.
 
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Kepler said:
His popularity may just be finding its real level after recovering from his portion of blame for the debt ceiling fiasco. The interesting part of which is that Congress hasn't recovered -- they are still heading south.

Anybody's guess whether those flat line overall approval ratings will really translate into major changes in Congress, though. With gerrymandering voters have almost no control over House elections. The Senate's at least potentially a different story. The GOP sure hopes it can ride anti-incumbent feelings to 6-8 pickups.
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Congress was at 14% in June, and then 10% by October of 2008, and that didn't stop the Dems from making big gains. I tend to think it's not worth very much at all, because, of course, it's your rep who sucks, mine is doing just fine.;)
 
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geezer said:
Obama cleaned up Libya? I think the approved (though false) talking point is that he saved Iraq. Perhaps that's what you meant.

Cleaning up OBL was huge, though. But I already forgot about that, since it was before this week's Twilight movie came out and the Kardashians got married or whatever.
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Don't watch E! and its like the Kardashians don't exist. I personally had to ban that channel in my household and I'm a lot happier.

Regarding foreign policy, I find it funny that while Bush was coddling Khadafi that was okay, but Obama authorizes taking him out and its no big deal. Imagine if those rolls had been reversed. Unless you somehow think the Europeans could have handled everything by themselves...

What I give Obama credit for in Iraq is pulling the plug completely. Clearly in a McCain admin, based on his current comments this month, we would be keeping 50,000 troops there for an unending amount of time because neo-cons still can't admit the folly of that war.
 
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