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2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

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The bill Santorum wants to pass has no provision. There is no question he is hypocritical on the issue. My point was that I had no problem with what he did. I expect all the Republicans are liars on the issue when the individual circumstances warrant it.

True, I'm probably not the top dog.

Yeah no one would care about any of this if he wasnt preaching from the hypocritical pulpit.

Of course he does that a lot...remember we gotta support the soldiers, well except the gay ones they don't count.
 
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Yeah no one would care about any of this if he wasnt preaching from the hypocritical pulpit.

Of course he does that a lot...remember we gotta support the soldiers, well except the gay ones they don't count.

He's also a real charmer when it comes to his rhetoric about cleaning up corruption.
 
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So it turns out there was no abortion, or even a stillborn child. The baby the Santorums are being attacked for mourning was an infant who lived only a few hours and died of a fatal defect.
It really sickens me that something like this can't be private. Although a backlash is starting to take shape, so perhaps most people will realize how indecent this line of attack is.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

Dems might have some hope for the House, but it's a long, long way to November.

Markos was on POTUS last night with an interesting opinion: he doesn't care about whether the Senate flips because there's no way to get to 60 anyway, and perhaps the GOP will be brazen / brave / practical enough to finally abolish the cloture rule, which in the long run (in his opinion) would benefit Dems because the Republicans use cloture to block legislation much more often since their long game is to gum up the works and weaken government. OTOH, the House can actually get things done, and there's a non-trivial likelihood that the Dems could flip it, so that's where their attention should be.

I can't see the Dems winning the House unless there was a wave of support behind an inspiring presidential candidate who ran HARD on getting a Dem Congress -- there's just no way to make big changes with the gerrymandering of districts. OTOH what he says about the self-inflicted incapacity of the Senate has merit. I would love to see both cloture and the anonymous hold eliminated, regardless of who is in the majority. At some point you have to let the body do the people's will rather than choke on a chicken bone on every law or appointment.


I get a big kick out of political punditry. Obama is doomed because he's at 45% approval ratings, even though he's beating the competition one on one and hasn't begun to soften them up yet with negative advertising.

BUT - A GOP House with approval rating of 10% is all going to get re-elected. Okaaay. Even though 60+ of them represent districts that Obama won.

Here's how I see it playing out: The GOP will inevitably give back 20 seats due to people being elected in districts they won't be able to hold onto in a Presidential year. Think Illinois, New York, etc. Included in that are people who were never good candidates but got elected due to wave, people who are certifiable nutjobs, etc. In 1996, I believe the Dems took back 26 seats including many (even a couple in Mass) that the GOP had no business holding from the previous election.

So, that still leaves them short, and this is where the unpopularity of the Congress gets caught up with the candidates for President. I can't tell you if that'll swing the extra 10 seats or not at this point in time but how Obama & lets say Romney run in places like Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, NH, and Florida determines who wins the House.

Lastly, let me cover the myth of redistricting. There is waaayyy too much emphasis on redistricting giving a lock to party a or party b. That IMHO is stupid. In 1992 the Dems controlled redistricting and they were gone the next election. In 2002 the GOP did, and led by DeLay implemented highly partisan maps only to be booted out 4 years later. See a pattern here? Redistricting can't save an unpopular majority party. Lets say a state creates 5 districts that gave McCain a majority of the vote (50-55%). Unfortunately there's a lot less McCain voters out there due to his high support from older voters. There's also more potential Obama supporters due to his majority support amongst young people (8M new voters I believe since 2008). So who knows how those districts would look today? Biggest thing left right now is how Texas' court case gets settled. After that there's nothing else left of any signficance and it looks to be a wash so far.
 
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I get a big kick out of political punditry. Obama is doomed because he's at 45% approval ratings, even though he's beating the competition one on one and hasn't begun to soften them up yet with negative advertising.

I didn't say that. Did anybody say that? I don't think anybody said that.

BUT - A GOP House with approval rating of 10% is all going to get re-elected. Okaaay. Even though 60+ of them represent districts that Obama won.

Here I was going to unload on you for the time-honored mistake about Congress' overall approval rating (it doesn't matter) but the last sentence is interesting. First question: do you mean 60 districts which elected Dems in 2008 and then lost them in 2010? Because otherwise it doesn't matter that Obama won them if they still elected a GOP member in 2008 anyway.

We'll agree you're wrong about redistricting. It's always been a big deal in that it insulates incumbents unless there's a wave election. That they fall anyway during a wave isn't a surprise at all. This aint a wave election -- the voters hate the Republicans but they aren't wild about the Dems either.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

Forgive my naivety, but the GOP told Obama to trim the budget. However, they are criticizing his cuts to the defense budget? Confused a bit by it.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

So it turns out there was no abortion, or even a stillborn child. The baby the Santorums are being attacked for mourning was an infant who lived only a few hours and died of a fatal defect.
It really sickens me that something like this can't be private. Although a backlash is starting to take shape, so perhaps most people will realize how indecent this line of attack is.

Yes, there was an abortion.

Numerous sources report Santorum’s wife Karen had a second trimester abortion in October 1996. The Santorum’s, however, don’t like to describe it as an abortion. Instead, they call it a medically induced miscarriage. Yet for many, this is a distinction without a difference.

In 1996 Santorum’s wife, Karen, became severely ill while pregnant and had to be rushed to the hospital. There, she and her husband Rick were told that if she did not induce her labor, she and the baby would more than likely die. The decision was made to induce labor, and abort the fetus.

Abortion is, and has been, a complicated and contentious issue in American politics. Roe v. Wade was a landmark Supreme Court decision granting women control over their bodies, and reproductive freedom. The decision made abortion a private decision between a woman and her doctor, and ended the tragedy of back alley abortions that killed and maimed too many women in the dark days before abortion was legal.

For many, Roe v. Wade was a victory for medical science and freedom, and a defeat for religious superstition and ignorance. However, for some others, the decision was an insult to their religious faith, and became a political fight, a political fight Rick Santorum is fighting today.

Recently when asked about exceptions for rape and incest Santorum said that any exception to a prohibition on abortion “would be taking a life - and I would advocate that any doctor who performs an abortion should be criminally charged for doing so."

In essence, Santorum is arguinging that the doctor(s) that saved the life of his wife should be criminally charged for doing so.

To be sure, the Santorums did not want to terminate Karen Santorum’s pregnancy in 1996. But they did, and Karen Santorum is still alive. Most people would agree the Santorums made the right decision. However, if presidential candidate Rick Santorum has his way, women in the future would not have the same life saving opportunity granted to Karen Santorum.

For progressives and others there is something deeply repugnant and unAmerican about religious zealots trying to legislate away a woman’s right to reproductive freedom. Yet there is something even more disturbing about Santorum’s extreme anti-abortion rhetoric given his personal experience. For many, Santorum’s position seems down right cruel, and supremely hypocritical.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

Forgive my naivety, but the GOP told Obama to trim the budget. However, they are criticizing his cuts to the defense budget? Confused a bit by it.

He is supposed to slash any spending that helps their political opponents. If anything, the defense budget should be increased.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

So it turns out there was no abortion, or even a stillborn child. The baby the Santorums are being attacked for mourning was an infant who lived only a few hours and died of a fatal defect.
It really sickens me that something like this can't be private. Although a backlash is starting to take shape, so perhaps most people will realize how indecent this line of attack is.

Sorry, there was an abortion.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

Forgive my naivety, but the GOP told Obama to trim the budget. However, they are criticizing his cuts to the defense budget? Confused a bit by it.

Trimming the budget cannot include any new revenue or defense budget cuts. You're free to increase the budget as long as it is for defense, oil companies, and tax cuts for job creators.
 
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Yes, there was an abortion.

sorry again - I didn't think there could be both an abortion and a living baby. So yes, I'll agree that Santorum is a hypocrite of the highest order on this issue. That would be a fair attack to make. Would it be OK to leave his wife out of it though? No?
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

sorry again - I didn't think there could be both an abortion and a living baby. So yes, I'll agree that Santorum is a hypocrite of the highest order on this issue. That would be a fair attack to make. Would it be OK to leave his wife out of it though? No?

Family should be off limits...they never are but they should be.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

sorry again - I didn't think there could be both an abortion and a living baby. So yes, I'll agree that Santorum is a hypocrite of the highest order on this issue. That would be a fair attack to make. Would it be OK to leave his wife out of it though? No?

There can be an abortion and a living baby. It was a form of abortion to induce the pregnancy even though there was no chance for the fetus to survive outside the womb. If Rick Santorum had his way, the procedure the doctors used to save his wife would be illegal and those doctors would be on trial for murder. And no, she isn't off limits because she authored an anti-choice article and invoked her own experience, and then wrote a book. She invited this scrutiny. I wouldn't mock her for it and don't see a whole lot of value to attacking family members, but it's what politics has become. Rush called a preteen Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog" so it isn't anything new. I'm sure Kepler can dig up an example of Brutus calling Caesar's wife dirty names :p
 
Re: 2012 Elections Pt II: Bachmann Turned Me Into a Newt! A Newt?

That's actually pretty funny.

She matured quite nicely.
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