2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

[Priceless]

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So you endorse what he did? Or is it just ok because he goes after people you don't like? Neither is a very flattering choice.

How long are you going to avoid commenting on the audience at the GOP debate booing a soldier and every single candidate not saying a word?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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My favorite part of the debate was when Michele said that the tax rate should be zero. It's our money, not the governments, etc. Then she blew it and admitted that the government had to collect something but didn't know what the rate should be.

Let me help you Michele.

The number is zero for job creators.
For the rest of Americans, who cares?

I should be running your campaign.

 

[Bob Gray]

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How long are you going to avoid commenting on the audience at the GOP debate booing a soldier and every single candidate not saying a word?

Your hypocrisy is deafening. If someone had done this to Obama in the 2008 campaign, you and many others would have screamed bloody murder. I know you're a rabid partisan, but I didn't think you'd be a supporter of gutter tactics like this. I guess I was wrong.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So you endorse what he did? Or is it just ok because he goes after people you don't like? Neither is a very flattering choice.

I don't see that Larry is doing anything illegal. It's kind of scummy but that scum probably would have never surfaced if you didn't have so much hypocrisy in Washington. I think Larry has been forever changed by Clinton/Lewinsky and as long as he lives he will continue this campaign.

Your hypocrisy is deafening. If someone had done this to Obama in the 2008 campaign, you and many others would have screamed bloody murder. I know you're a rabid partisan, but I didn't think you'd be a supporter of gutter tactics like this. I guess I was wrong.

I would have loved it if it had been done to Obama. I might have bought some champagne to celebrate.

 

[unofan]

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So you endorse what he did? Or is it just ok because he goes after people you don't like? Neither is a very flattering choice.

As though those are the only two options...

Do you endorse the WBC? Or is it just ok because they go after the gheys? Neither is a flattering choice.

(For the record, I don't give a **** what Larry Flynt does. I neither endorse it nor condemn it, because I DONT CARE. Taking a stance implies Larry Flynt is worth my time - he isn't).

Edit: To clarify further, I already called him trashy. What else do you expect? A full page editorial in a major newspaper? Why is that worth anyone's time and energy over something no one on this board would've even heard about except for you publicizing it for him

 

[Priceless]

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Your hypocrisy is deafening. If someone had done this to Obama in the 2008 campaign, you and many others would have screamed bloody murder. I know you're a rabid partisan, but I didn't think you'd be a supporter of gutter tactics like this. I guess I was wrong.

Good deflection. So you support booing American soldiers.

Considering Unofan is also a rabid partisan, I guess I'm in good company.

 

[Rover]

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Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina are all, IMHO, going to fall the other way this time around. Indiana might as well be Kentucky and the other two states will swoon for that accent. I don't get it either, but twangers stick together.

The bigger thing about the next general election is the shoe will be on the other foot re: playing defense on the cruddy economy. If every state swings just 5% from last time, I suspect the GOP would be close to winning back the White House. Add in there's a small EV shift to the GOP states and the possibility that the GOP will be playing EV footsie in states like PA, and Obama's best bet might be a Perry nomination and then some combination of gaffes and extreme policy positions.

Some thoughts:

Indiana: Yes. North Carolina: Yes if Perry is nominee, 50/50 if its Romney. Virginia: 50/50 if its Perry, No if its Romney.

Simply put once this primary is over Romney will have zero appeal down South. Hard core christian conservatives aren't going to vote for him. They'd just as soon stay home. That's not going to matter in Texas and Arkansas, but he can't afford to lose those people in Florida or Virginia. On the flip side, Perry will do very well in those states, but his hard right social conservatism appeals to about 30% of the population which is killer in places like Ohio, Colorado, Nevada, New Hampshire, etc.

As an aside, the press and perhaps yourself are getting way too worked up over this Pennsylvania thing. Its one of the stupidest ideas I've seen come down the pike in a long time, and I wouldn't recommend it if the Dems were trying to pull that in a swing state either (Say Virginia or North Carolina for example). Consider this: Any party seeking to win the Presidency has to appeal to the Rust Belt states. Halving their electoral bounty no matter which way the state votes does several things:

1) it screws your nominee if he's doing well there.
2) it makes the state irrelevant to the candidates as no matter what happens the payoff will be winning no more net electoral votes than winning New Hampshire - a far cheaper state to advertise in.
3) it nationalizes not only congressional races, but state house races also. Right now Pennsylvania voters seem comfortable with ticket splitting if they've elected Dems as President the last 5 elections but have voted GOP on occasion statewide. With this plan you force voters to vote one party down the line. Again, do you really want to do that?
4) Voters have a good sense of fairness and will see right through this, especially swing voters.

This whole thing reeks of the Gephardt/Daschle/Kerry/Shrum approach to elections that killed the Dems in the 2000's. Its the notion that to win elections you should cut corners to win the bare minimum of votes to get elected. If I'm the Republicans, my plan is win ALL of Pennsylvania's votes a well as Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, etc. They may not get there, but that's a better goal than transparent electoral shennanigans.

 

[Bob Gray]

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The Larry Flynt supporters are out in droves. I throw out something really lousy, figuring that even if the target is Rick Perry, people will condemn it. I was wrong. I will lower my expectations accordingly.

 

[Rover]

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How long are you going to avoid commenting on the audience at the GOP debate booing a soldier and every single candidate not saying a word?

As long as he's able to draw breath Priceless. Bob doesn't answer tough questions. Never has, never will.

But aside from maybe his subscription to Flynt's skin mag, I'm not sure what he's so worked up about. Flynt is a private citizen with no connection to the Dem campaigns. How he's any different in Bob's mind from Drudge or Briebart is beyond me......unless Bob is indeed the very hypocrite he protests against.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The Larry Flynt supporters are out in droves. I throw out something really lousy, figuring that even if the target is Rick Perry, people will condemn it. I was wrong. I will lower my expectations accordingly.

I don't understand your outrage. At all. What Flynt is doing is a perfect example of inevitability in America. One side goes hypocrisy on something and then the other side spends whatever money through whatever channels possible to shine the light on the other side.

But you get all up in your sanctimony.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I don't understand your outrage. At all. What Flynt is doing is a perfect example of inevitability in America. One side goes hypocrisy on something and then the other side spends whatever money through whatever channels possible to shine the light on the other side.

But you get all up in your sanctimony.

You are so selective in your moaning, it's hilarious.


Is is really so painful y'all to say you're against something like Flynt is doing? Apparently. The argument that, well, over time lots of people have also done similar things, so who cares, is the most basic dodge, and transparently weak. Based on this, I expect to see no postings complaining about any Republican compaign tactics between now and the 2012 election, since no one is up to decrying Flynt. Oh, wait, I lowered my expectations on this, so go ahead and scream about every Republican tactic, while keeping your blinders on about what the Dems and their supporters do. That's an entirely credible approach.

 

[Handyman]

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So you endorse what he did? Or is it just ok because he goes after people you don't like? Neither is a very flattering choice.

No one is endorsing it, they just dont think it is worth the time to think about. Nice straw man though, your logical fallacies are showing

Wait, let me for you...

WHOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!

 

[Handyman]

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You are so selective in your moaning, it's hilarious.


Is is really so painful y'all to say you're against something like Flynt is doing? Apparently. The argument that, well, over time lots of people have also done similar things, so who cares, is the most basic dodge, and transparently weak. Based on this, I expect to see no postings complaining about any Republican compaign tactics between now and the 2012 election, since no one is up to decrying Flynt. Oh, wait, I lowered my expectations on this, so go ahead and scream about every Republican tactic, while keeping your blinders on about what the Dems and their supporters do. That's an entirely credible approach.

This from the guy who wont condemn the GOP Candidates for not defending the gay soldier.

Hypocrisy for the win Bob!

Oh but I am sure that is different, because Larry Flint is more relevant than EVERY GOP CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT!!

Bob Gray: The only intelligent conversation is with the voices in his head

 

[Bob Gray]

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This from the guy who wont condemn the GOP Candidates for not defending the gay soldier.

Hypocrisy for the win Bob!

Oh but I am sure that is different, because Larry Flint is more relevant than EVERY GOP CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT!!

Bob Gray: The only intelligent conversation is with the voices in his head

I'm not familiar with that story, so I won't comment on it. Sorry I don't parrot every story and issue you wish me to. But then, some of us try to think for ourselves. Yes, I know, a novel concept.

 

[Bob Gray]

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As long as he's able to draw breath Priceless. Bob doesn't answer tough questions. Never has, never will.

But aside from maybe his subscription to Flynt's skin mag, I'm not sure what he's so worked up about. Flynt is a private citizen with no connection to the Dem campaigns. How he's any different in Bob's mind from Drudge or Briebart is beyond me......unless Bob is indeed the very hypocrite he protests against.

Stay classy.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You are so selective in your moaning, it's hilarious.


Is is really so painful y'all to say you're against something like Flynt is doing? Apparently. The argument that, well, over time lots of people have also done similar things, so who cares, is the most basic dodge, and transparently weak. Based on this, I expect to see no postings complaining about any Republican compaign tactics between now and the 2012 election, since no one is up to decrying Flynt. Oh, wait, I lowered my expectations on this, so go ahead and scream about every Republican tactic, while keeping your blinders on about what the Dems and their supporters do. That's an entirely credible approach.

What's to complain about? Corporations are people and Swift Boating is a-ok. I don't see any reason to complain about campaign tactics anymore. When I was complaining about it there was still a possibility that something was illegal or could be done. Now that Rome is burning, the hell with it.

 

[Bob Gray]

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What's to complain about? Corporations are people and Swift Boating is a-ok. I don't see any reason to complain about campaign tactics anymore. When I was complaining about it there was still a possibility that something was illegal or could be done. Now that Rome is burning, the hell with it.

At least that's a consistent statement. Those are hard to find these days. For that, I commend you.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Was just thinking...the GOP was seen as a main culprit in the debt ceiling showdown. Since they've been seen as obstructionist, they said they would entertain Obama's job proposal (for a day). So now with debate after debate their bickering can't be seen in a good light for the party.

Classy.

http://news.yahoo.com/porn-magnate-funds-1-million-quest-embarrass-rick-030528586.html

I'm sure the liberal media will have a fit over this. No doubt in my mind.

Is this really bad? Should Edwards' affair have been withheld from voters?

There's a push to find out the truth. That's usually a good thing. Edit: just seeing Scoobs commented along these lines.

 

[Handyman]

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Cheer executions? Check.
Cheer for sick people to die? Check.
Boo soldiers serving in Iraq? Check.

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Classy!

I'm not familiar with that story, so I won't comment on it. Sorry I don't parrot every story and issue you wish me to. But then, some of us try to think for ourselves. Yes, I know, a novel concept.

You arent familiar with it...you posted 5 posts after when you decided to bring up the irrelevant Larry Flint! I guess scrolling is really tough? Or was it that you just ignore everything anyone posts if it isnt about something you are outraged over because you have been called out a few times over it.

Your fraudulence is showing Bob.

 

[Rover]

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Bob's just bent because Larry Flynt hasn't asked Sarah Palin to pose for his magazine yet.

Back to the point though, while I don't condone this action the genie's out of the bottle and has been since the Clinton trials (the most ridiculous political spectacle since the McCarthy hearings). You reap what you sow I guess. Anyway, my standard on whether or not this stuff is relevant is simple:

1) Was a crime committed? If so, resign immediately. Spitzer, Ensign, Vitter, Weiner all committed crimes whether they were charged or not. They needed to step down (note: one hasn't yet).

2) Raging hypocrisy. This is also known as the Hyde Amendment, named after utter buffoon Henry Hyde who had an affair and I believe and out of wedlock child in his 40's and chalked it up to "youthful indiscretions". This category is reserved for his buddy Bob Barr, as well as John Edwards. Don't run an "I art holier than thou" campaign if you've got a mistress on the side.

I don't know enough about Rick Perry to say whether or not he's trying to be Mr Morals. So, I'm not interested in his personal life.