2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

[ScoobyDoo]

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Reasonable, except why would Perry want to "risk" being veep? For that matter, doesn't he gain just as much for himself, without risking the exposure of a campaign, not running and then playing the "we need a southern conservative" card in 2016?

He takes the chance that Bachmann gets elected and he can't run in 2016.

 

[Priceless]

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He takes the chance that Bachmann gets elected and <del>he can't run in 2016</del> the world ends.

fyp

 

[Bakunin]

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fyp

You've got it all wrong. The world ends when the sex tape comes out and brings down her administration.

 

[Priceless]

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You've got it all wrong. The world ends when the sex tape comes out and brings down her administration.

Can I borrow some mental Brillo from someone? Thanks.

 

[Rover]

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Reasonable, except why would Perry want to "risk" being veep? For that matter, doesn't he gain just as much for himself, without risking the exposure of a campaign, not running and then playing the "we need a southern conservative" card in 2016?

Because win or lose in 2012 he'd be the presumed frontrunner the next time there's a contested nomination. Granted he'd be on the older side if we're talking 8 years from now but that would make him about Reagan's age when he won in 1980. Beyond him the VP pick that makes the most sense is Rubio from Florida. Pick him and he becomes the heir apparant. Perry getting into the race now and winning some primaries sorta forces the eventual nominee's hand.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Because win or lose in 2012 he'd be the presumed frontrunner the next time there's a contested nomination. Granted he'd be on the older side if we're talking 8 years from now but that would make him about Reagan's age when he won in 1980. Beyond him the VP pick that makes the most sense is Rubio from Florida. Pick him and he becomes the heir apparant. Perry getting into the race now and winning some primaries sorta forces the eventual nominee's hand.

Ya, Perry should wait. Next time around the country will probably be willing again to vote in another Texan. He would probably carry Bush with him almost as much as someone named Jeb.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Great article in the paper today. Going back to our discussion about Health Care and who's plan really got passed.

“I think the president’s plan is Obamacare for senior citizens,” Bachmann told CNN. “They don’t want Obamacare; they want Medicare, and that’s why I am committed to making Medicare solvent.”

Above is Bachmann's claim. That Obama wants to essentially destroy Medicare and replace it with Obamacare.

The current Medicare system, in place since the mid-1960s, is essentially a government-run health care program, with hospital and doctors’ fees paid by the government, though beneficiaries also pay premiums for some services as well as deductibles and coinsurance.

Above is fact.

But Medicare today is in effect a European-style, socialized health care program, so we are unclear what Bachmann means when she says Obama wants to take a program that is already socialized medicine and turn it into Obamacare. A single-payer option—much like Medicare—was rejected when the Democratic-led Congress drafted the health care law.

Above is also fact. The Democrats could not pass Medicare (socialized medical care) for all. They also failed on the public option.

Ironically, one can make a case that the House Republican budget plan is designed to turn Medicare into a program that has some of the key features of Obama’s health care law.

For instance, seniors would be given government subsidies, which they would then use to shop for coverage from private companies in a new kind of marketplace called an “Exchange.”

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.), the chief architect, might dismiss these as superficial similarities but the fact remains that Medicare is currently a government-run program--which is one reason why Democrats so fiercely oppose efforts that they say will dismantle that feature.

The Ryan Medicare plan is essentially Obamacare for Seniors. Bachmann supports the Ryan plan, but also supports the repeal of Obamacare, and protecting Seniors from Obamacare. What? In other words she has no clue what she is talking about.

That’s why it is strange for Bachmann to suggest that Obama wants to replace Medicare with Obamacare, which relies on the private insurance market. If Obama had had the votes in Congress, he would have pushed for a Medicare-like option in his health care law—but not the other way around.

To top it off, Bachmann voted for the Republican budget plan and claims she supports it to prevent Medicare from “going flat broke in 13 years.” To be clear, only the hospital trust fund will be “depleted’ and the government will still be able to cover 90 percent of the program costs. That is not the same as bankruptcy.

Again. What was passed was the Republican ideas of "individual mandate" and "high risk pool insurance exchanges". Not Medicare for all which is what the left really wants. And in the most hilarious and funny irony of all the Ryan plan is essentially at its core Obamacare for Seniors. You can't make it up.

Are you confused? We’re totally befuddled.

It initially was hard to tell whether Bachmann’s rhetoric in the speech just ran amok or this was a point she wanted to make. But then she repeated the notion that Obama wanted to replace Medicare with “Obamacare” in her interview with CNN. There is no evidence for this and it is completely nonsensical. For a member of Congress, she really should know the basics of government-funded health care programs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...1/06/20/AGkqpPdH_blog.html?wprss=fact-checker

This message brought to you by the USCHO Michele Bachmann for President Campaign.

 

[Priceless]

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In other words she has no clue what she is talking about.

Whodathunkit?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Whodathunkit?

Do you see the beauty of it?

Bachmann wants to repeal Obamacare.
Bachmann doesn't want Obamacare for Seniors.
Bachmann votes for the Ryan plan.
The Ryan plan is Obamacare for Seniors.

The logic just flows like water. There's no question she will be President.

 

[Rover]

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According to the WSJ, Perry is in:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304569504576403751413473280.html

I don't see why not in his case. As the only candidate from the party's regional stronghold, I doubt he's going to get as clear a shot as this in future years. I believe the GOP is still a winner take all primary in most if not all states, so cleaning up in Texas, Georgia, Florida, NC, VA etc is going to net him a boatload of delegates. Not sure how he'll run outside of there, but Super Tuesday I think is still dominated by southern states, so momentum coming out of there could go a long way.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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According to the WSJ, Perry is in:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304569504576403751413473280.html

I don't see why not in his case. As the only candidate from the party's regional stronghold, I doubt he's going to get as clear a shot as this in future years. I believe the GOP is still a winner take all primary in most if not all states, so cleaning up in Texas, Georgia, Florida, NC, VA etc is going to net him a boatload of delegates. Not sure how he'll run outside of there, but Super Tuesday I think is still dominated by southern states, so momentum coming out of there could go a long way.

That's awful news if you're looking for entertainment this election year. Let's hope he pulls a Weiner and does something really stupid between now and Iowa Caucuses.

 

[Priceless]

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That's awful news if you're looking for entertainment this election year. Let's hope he pulls a Weiner and does something really stupid between now and Iowa Caucuses.

Dude, he could wear diapers and visit prostitutes and the GOP would be fine with it. You only get in trouble if you are a Democrat.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't see why not in his case. As the only candidate from the party's regional stronghold, I doubt he's going to get as clear a shot as this in future years. I believe the GOP is still a winner take all primary in most if not all states, so cleaning up in Texas, Georgia, Florida, NC, VA etc is going to net him a boatload of delegates. Not sure how he'll run outside of there, but Super Tuesday I think is still dominated by southern states, so momentum coming out of there could go a long way.

It's the weakest field for a major party nomination since the Dems in '72 -- I don't think he has much to worry about re: delegates.

Poor Mittens. He's going to be the new Harold Stassen.

 

[Kepler]

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Nobody quits better than Sarah.

You were saying?

 

[Bakunin]

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The Ryan Medicare plan is essentially Obamacare for Seniors. Bachmann supports the Ryan plan, but also supports the repeal of Obamacare, and protecting Seniors from Obamacare. What? In other words she has no clue what she is talking about.

Medicare is socialism and Obamacare is socialism lite.

By the way, this could easily be a genius move by Bachmann - she knows how much the right hates the fact that healthcare reform was signed into law. By framing everything in terms of "Obamacare" and her opposition to it, she both riles up the primary voters *and* strengthens their support of her. Similarities between Ryan's plan for Medicare and Obama's law simply don't matter in this case. The primary voters aren't really paying attention to that, and they are unlikely to pay attention to any media reports calling attention to this contradictory opinion being stated by Bachmann.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Medicare is socialism and Obamacare is socialism lite.

By the way, this could easily be a genius move by Bachmann - she knows how much the right hates the fact that healthcare reform was signed into law. By framing everything in terms of "Obamacare" and her opposition to it, she both riles up the primary voters *and* strengthens their support of her. Similarities between Ryan's plan for Medicare and Obama's law simply don't matter in this case. The primary voters aren't really paying attention to that, and they are unlikely to pay attention to any media reports calling attention to this contradictory opinion being stated by Bachmann.

Correct. I was taking the long way to point out how stupid the electorate is.

 

[Tundra]

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Looks like Ron Paul is my choice if Palin doens't run. He and Barney Frank and several bi-partisan representatives wants to get the fed out of the drug war and meddle in state issues if they can pass the bill (fat chance). Pot will be legal or (fine offense) in 16 states without the federal law.

 

[Foxton]

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Looks like Ron Paul is my choice if Palin doens't run. He and Barney Frank and several bi-partisan representatives wants to get the fed out of the drug war and meddle in state issues if they can pass the bill (fat chance). Pot will be legal or (fine offense) in 16 states without the federal law.

Isn't Paul the one that said in the 'debate' that hospitals shouldn't have to give service or something to that effect?

 

[Tundra]

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Isn't Paul the one that said in the 'debate' that hospitals shouldn't have to give service or something to that effect?

No idea. And what's wrong with that premise (or debate)? If you can't see a doctor without photo ID/insurance/credit card or they can refuse medicaid/care.

you need a photo ID (CC/insurance card) to see a doctor. I'm guessing this is to "fight" the prescription drug "abuse" that our city/state/national passed recently (2005?). or doctors just fleecing america with the need for multiple visits for prescription drug (you can only get 1-2 month supply even for non-narcotic drugs).

And I'm curious who you all would vote for? and why?

Sarah Palin = raise taxes on oil (all) companies.
Ron Paul = decriminalize pot, get rid of private bankers power, budget etc

Rest of the republican/3rd party I just dont' know about.

 

[Foxton]

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No idea. And what's wrong with that premise (or debate)? If you can't see a doctor without photo ID/insurance/credit card or they can refuse medicaid/care.

you need a photo ID (CC/insurance card) to see a doctor. I'm guessing this is to "fight" the prescription drug "abuse" that our city/state/national passed recently (2005?). or doctors just fleecing america with the need for multiple visits for prescription drug (you can only get 1-2 month supply even for non-narcotic drugs).

And I'm curious who you all would vote for? and why?

Sarah Palin = raise taxes on oil (all) companies.
Ron Paul = decriminalize pot, get rid of private bankers power, budget etc

Rest of the republican/3rd party I just dont' know about.

Actually here it is. If a 5 year old child of an illegal immigrant shows up in an emergency room, do they receive care?
http://youtu.be/rePrD-6nNdE?t=9m17s

His answer is no and something about the catholic church.

Paul is just another republican talking head who wants deregulation and detaxation because those will solve all our problems.

And are you actually promoting Palin for president? Wait, didn't you do that before?