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2012 Elections in 3-D!

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Rover said:
Little disappointed Sanitarium couldn't pull off Ohio
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The head of the Ohio GOP was on POTUS last night and told an interesting story about how Santorum failed to register full slates of delegates in every Congressional district, DQ'ing him from competing for 18 of the state's 63 delegates before the polls even opened. Combined with failing to get on the ballot in three states, that says a lot about the state of Santorum's campaign staff last November-December when the filing dates were. They really did not expect to last this long.

If he had been on every ballot and had full slates, last night's narrative could have been quite different.

It's too bad he's such a nutter; otherwise he would be a fun underdog to root for against the R-money Umbrella Corporation.
 
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Rover said:
PS - I'm more curious than anything else, but do any of you right leaning posters expect Romney to be our next President?
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No. He's Bob Dole but with less charisma. I do think a lot of it comes down to likability, so Romney doesn't have a snowball's chance without a personality makeover.
 
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geezer said:
No. He's Bob Dole but with less charisma. I do think a lot of it comes down to likability, so Romney doesn't have a snowball's chance without a personality makeover.
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Humphrey was likeable, Nixon was a gargoyle. It can be done, but I don't know if Romney is the guy who can do it.
 
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Believe it or not, I feel for my GOP poster friends. I remember having to talk myself into Kerry for Prez, and its not fun. Amazingly Romney isn't improving as a candidate the more he goes along, which for a guy of his unquestioned intelligence doesn't make sense.
 
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geezer said:
No. He's Bob Dole but with less charisma. I do think a lot of it comes down to likability, so Romney doesn't have a snowball's chance without a personality makeover.
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Bob Dole had charisma, but he was running against possibly the most charismatic president we've ever had. And was funny as hell but his campaign advisers told him to keep it bottled and stay serious. They should have let him be himself. He may not have won on election day, but he would have done better and lots of Americans wouldn't have been left with the impression that he had the personality of a doorknob.
 
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priceless said:
bob dole had charisma, but he was running against possibly the most charismatic president we've ever had. And was funny as hell but his campaign advisers told him to keep it bottled and stay serious. They should have let him be himself. He may not have won on election day, but he would have done better and lots of americans wouldn't have been left with the impression that he had the personality of a mitt romney.
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geezer said:
I do think a lot of it comes down to likability
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I should add that maybe a greater part of getting elected comes down to having a plan for what you want to do in office and why... Romney's main plan seems to be, to have Mitt Romney elected president. The only reasons he seems capable of giving for having Mitt Romney elected seem to be those that might help Mitt get elected. Know what I mean? There's no good justification for switching from Obama to Romney at this point, except to check "be elected POTUS" off Mitt Romney's bucket list.
 
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geezer said:
I should add that maybe a greater part of getting elected comes down to having a plan for what you want to do in office and why... Romney's main plan seems to be, to have Mitt Romney elected president. The only reasons he seems capable of giving for having Mitt Romney elected seem to be those that might help Mitt get elected. Know what I mean? There's no good justification for switching from Obama to Romney at this point, except to check "be elected POTUS" off Mitt Romney's bucket list.
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Solid Analysis. Well done.
 
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Priceless said:
Bob Dole had charisma, but he was running against possibly the most charismatic president we've ever had. And was funny as hell but his campaign advisers told him to keep it bottled and stay serious. They should have let him be himself. He may not have won on election day, but he would have done better and lots of Americans wouldn't have been left with the impression that he had the personality of a doorknob.
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Bob Dole did his job in that election, which was make it respectable in a race he had no hope of winning. Contrast that to say McCain, who also had no chance of winning but who was a tremendous drag on the House (30 seats) and Senate (8 seats maybe).
 
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Rover said:
Bob Dole did his job in that election, which was make it respectable in a race he had no hope of winning. Contrast that to say McCain, who also had no chance of winning but who was a tremendous drag on the House (30 seats) and Senate (8 seats maybe).
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McCain wasn't the issue. It was Palin. I could at least consider McCain. The minute he put her on the ticket I was done listening.
 
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Romney's other problem is that he's not a good politician. He won a single campaign in his life, first by spending his opponent in the primary into the dirt and then running as a very liberal Republican.

He's been running for President for about 5 years now, and the only way he's winning is by again bludgeoning his opponents with attack ads when their poll numbers rise as a threat, and despite that, he's not slamming the door shut on guys so disorganized and dirt-poor that they didn't get their names on all ballots and don't have enough delegates available in other states on the off chance they did win. He's running states with very few campaign offices compared to what the Obama campaign did 4 years ago, meaning he's yet to build a real grass-roots level setup. Michigan had one office. He should have been building this apparatus over the last year or two since it's not like he had anything else to do.

Assuming he gets to 1144 and isn't forced into a floor fight from the sheer stubbornness of the other three, his campaign has to really step their game up or hope things go really **** up or he's going to get hammered.
 
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Priceless said:
Bob Dole had charisma, but he was running against possibly the most charismatic president we've ever had. And was funny as hell but his campaign advisers told him to keep it bottled and stay serious.
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Dole had a very, very, very, very dry wit. He would have gone over the heads of 90% of the voters.
 
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geezer said:
Romney's main plan seems to be, to have Mitt Romney elected president. The only reasons he seems capable of giving for having Mitt Romney elected seem to be those that might help Mitt get elected. Know what I mean? There's no good justification for switching from Obama to Romney at this point, except to check "be elected POTUS" off Mitt Romney's bucket list.
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This sums up Mittens better than anything else I've ever read. I think we should just retire discussion of him from the Cafe -- this really says it all.

The 29 percent of the population that has a seizure every time they see Obama has a "reason" to switch. But (1) a potted plant with an "R" after its name wins those voters, and (2) negation is an ineffective general election strategy that doesn't capture market share or help the rest of the party. And of course it's the kind of campaign Romney is least suited for of all the Republican candidates, because Romneycare is a hole you can drive a fleet of Cadillacs through.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Solid Analysis. Well done.
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Kepler said:
This sums up Mittens better than anything else I've ever read. I think we should just retire discussion of him from the Cafe -- this really says it all.
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I appreciate the support, but it's more a gut reaction to his personality than an analysis. I might even be wrong. But if I am, I suspect about 20% of the voting public will be wrong in the exact same way come election day. For example, we'd happily vote for someone like Marco Rubio who holds forth so compellingly on conservative principles - but we don't see that same appearance of a philosophical foundation in Mitt. In the case of Mitt, we see a politician in search of a platform, whether he or Rubio would actually make a better defender of our interests in office.
Also, at some point common sense has to kick in. We're now what $16T in debt and he wants to cut taxes again? Come on.
 
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Kepler said:
Humphrey was likeable, Nixon was a gargoyle. It can be done, but I don't know if Romney is the guy who can do it.
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HHH had LBJ and Vietnam as his millstone. Even with all that, it was not decided until Ohio(?) tipped R the next day.
 
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joecct said:
HHH had LBJ and Vietnam as his millstone. Even with all that, it was not decided until Ohio(?) tipped R the next day.
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Wasn't there also the third-party candidacy of George Wallace that siphoned off traditional Democratic votes?
 
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