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2012 Elections in 3-D!

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Foxton said:
In what way does he win except with a bunch of scumbags who would have supported him anyways?
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He's a media personality being talked about all over the ****ing media. Attention = ratings.

Since the guy has millions of listeners loyal to him, he has not a **** thing to worry about on this.
 
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Bakunin said:
He's a media personality being talked about all over the ****ing media. Attention = ratings.

Since the guy has millions of listeners loyal to him, he has not a **** thing to worry about on this.
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He does if he can't get any sponsors.
 
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I don't expect Limbaugh to lose his job, or has been said if he does he'll get another one. However, he has harmed himself in two ways:

1) He's been forced to back down publicly, something that hits at the heart of his schtick (no retreat ever). Not easy to make a 400 pound man look small, but that happened this week. His paycheck won't change, but I wonder if he has a little less clout than he had two weeks ago.

2) This came at the worst time for the GOP. Normally his rants don't have an effect outside of his already voting GOP listeners. This time it fit the narrative that crabby old guys want to dictate birth control policy for the rest of us. What could have been a small victory if termed as religious freedom has turned into a public relations disaster for the Right. I have to wonder where all the savvy Republican strategists have gone, because from packing a panel on contraception with a bunch of old geezers who looked like they had no need for the product for the last 30 years to forcing a vote on the Blunt Amendment that might help cost Sens Brown and Heller their jobs, I can't picture a Karl Rove letting his party commit so many blunders during an election season.
 
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Kepler said:
The RNC motto.
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Its the Mantra of any organization, isn't it?

Rush being hurt by all you folks spitting all over your keyboards is a hoot. He loves it, sponsors come and go, others will take their place as long as his show hits their demographic
 
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walrus said:
Rush being hurt by all you folks spitting all over your keyboards is a hoot. He loves it, sponsors come and go, others will take their place as long as his show hits their demographic
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Still the point stands that conservative extremists attempt to push their agenda into the mainstream...his antics lose help lose the mainstream whether to conservative extremism or the GOP. And this year's candidates in the tripping over each other in a race to the right is the result of a steady stream of Rush type antics which have turned off moderates and would have otherwise moderated the GOP.

In the end, the conservative media is laughing all the way to the bank, its listeners further addicted, and the GOP and the broader conservative movement further isolated from Americans.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Still the point stands that conservative extremists attempt to push their agenda into the mainstream...his antics lose help lose the mainstream whether to conservative extremism or the GOP. And this year's candidates in the tripping over each other in a race to the right is the result of a steady stream of Rush type antics which have turned off moderates and would have otherwise moderated the GOP.
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I think I get your point ("Rush = teh Satan") but man, this paragraph is a perfect example of why composition should still be taught and practiced in the schools.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Still the point stands that conservative extremists attempt to push their agenda into the mainstream...his antics lose help lose the mainstream whether to conservative extremism or the GOP. And this year's candidates in the tripping over each other in a race to the right is the result of a steady stream of Rush type antics which have turned off moderates and would have otherwise moderated the GOP.

In the end, the conservative media is laughing all the way to the bank, its listeners further addicted, and the GOP and the broader conservative movement further isolated from Americans.
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GOP is a joke. Whats hurting the GOP is the GOP. All you have to do is look at the Candidates, F'in joke. You might think Rush is a conservative, he might think it, I don't.
 
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This is very funny for those of us who remember NAPALM and TDKOTDP ("the death knell of the Democratic party").

Do people really not understand that it's just ten year cycles?

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Very interesting observations on how the absence of corporate campaign contributions can lead to electoral corruption in a democracy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...an-elections/2012/03/03/gIQA1E1JsR_story.html

Although many Americans complain about the role of big business in funding political campaigns in the United States, the roots of the corruption and criminalization of Indian politics, ironically, lie in the outlawing of corporate contributions by then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi in 1967, in an attempt to cripple a right-wing opposition movement by depriving it of funds.

“The ban on company donations closed the only honest, open and transparent avenue of raising funds to fight elections,” commentator Prem Shankar Jha wrote in the magazine Tehelka. “The harm it has done is beyond measure.”

At the constituency level, the only alternative was to establish a network of patronage and favor-swapping from individual donors that soon became entrenched.

At the national level, Jha argued, the ruling Congress party was soon demanding massive kickbacks from business deals, mostly defense and infrastructure contracts, to fund its central command. It is the road that led inexorably to the corruption scandals of the past few years.

A typical Indian constituency might have 1,000 villages, and the cost of campaigning is enormous.

Unrealistically low campaign-finance limits also forced candidates to raise "unaccounted" funds, said M.R. Madhavan at PRS Legislative Research.

"Who has access to unaccounted funds? Criminal elements," he said. "This forces you into bed with criminal elements."
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FreshFish said:
Very interesting observations on how the absence of corporate campaign contributions can lead to electoral corruption in a democracy
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marked by large swaths of third-world level poverty and radically underdeveloped police powers leading to rampant lapses in the rule of law.

Finished your sentence. :)

Analogies from one country to another are dangerous. This one assumes that there are no other relevant political differences between India and the U.S. -- and that the ban on corporate contributions is the one the really matters. I'd say that's probably very far down on the list of reasons why criminals are being elected in India. If it's even on the list at all.

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walrus said:
GOP is a joke. Whats hurting the GOP is the GOP. All you have to do is look at the Candidates, F'in joke. You might think Rush is a conservative, he might think it, I don't.
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Do tell why he's not. (Waiting impatiently for the no true scotsman fallacy)

Oh look who's on fundie ****tard today.

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If Obama thinks he's an emperor why the **** are we having an election? Wait... that would be hilarious, after whatever tool for the GOP loses they try to say the entire thing was rigged.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
marked by large swaths of third-world level poverty and radically underdeveloped police powers leading to rampant lapses in the rule of law.

Finished your sentence. :)

Analogies from one country to another are dangerous. This one assumes that there are no other relevant political differences between India and the U.S. -- and that the ban on corporate contributions is the one the really matters. I'd say that's probably very far down on the list of reasons why criminals are being elected in India. If it's even on the list at all.

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I don't mind if people who are opposed to corporate campaign contributions also want to ban union campaign contributions, at least they are demonstrating consistent logic. I find it annoying when someone bloviates on how evil corporations are ruining politics in the US while at the same time they are at the head of the line when it comes to union campaign donations, cheering them on all the way. The former comes across as consistently principled while the latter comes across as hypocritical double-standard win at any cost f^ck the other side while you're at it as well.
 
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FreshFish said:
I don't mind if people who are opposed to corporate campaign contributions also want to ban union campaign contributions, at least they are demonstrating consistent logic. I find it annoying when someone bloviates on how evil corporations are ruining politics in the US while at the same time they are at the head of the line when it comes to union campaign donations, cheering them on all the way. The former comes across as consistently principled while the latter comes across as hypocritical double-standard win at any cost f^ck the other side while you're at it as well.
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I don't mind if we cut some other sort of govt intervention to keep 'the level of socialism' at the same level ;)...

but elections should be fully govt funded and money should be taken out of the process entirely.
 
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I know it'll never work here because we don't have a multi-party parliamentary system, but I love the Canadian election setup sometimes.

"Vote of no confidence? Fine. Were you over X percent last time? Here's your cash, election in 90 days. Go."

We're up to like a 22 month election cycle for every two years, by comparison. Vote in november, take office in January, start preparing/announcing for the next election.
 
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