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2012 Elections in 3-D!

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Sandra Fluke now being attacked by Bernie Goldberg and Bill O'Reilly.

Gotta love it.

Is it the same attacking Sandra Fluke as it is attacking Sarah Palin? Sarah Palin is a celebrity right?
How many kids does Fluke have?

Does she have protection for witches? Because that might be the reason why she isn't protected.
 
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Speaking as a Maine Democrat, I hope they endorse King. For one, he's going to be twice as smart as anyone else in the race and I generally like voting for smart people.

not going to happen.

You are going to get Andrew Ian Dodge running as a Libertarian, Pingree for the Dems, King as an Independent, some Republican nutjob, and maybe one other no-name independent that will get 3% of the vote. The good news is Dodge and the Republican will split the tea-party nutjob vote.
 
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not going to happen.

You are going to get Andrew Ian Dodge running as a Libertarian, Pingree for the Dems, King as an Independent, some Republican nutjob, and maybe one other no-name independent that will get 3% of the vote. The good news is Dodge and the Republican will split the tea-party nutjob vote.

fellow Mainers, do we know if King now supports same sex marriage? Both Baldacci and Pingree are on record supporting same sex marriage. What is Pingree (who I assume will win the Democrat nomination since Baldacci wasn't all that popular by the time he finished his second term as governor) going to do if she loses, which is pretty likely with King in the race?
 
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Two stations have dropped El Rushbo.

I hope Jon Stewart knocks this one out of the park tonight. I can't wait.

O'Reilly is defending El Rushbo. I love it.

He did...it was brilliant. Between ripping Rush, the Faux talking heads and showing what a hypocrit that dunce Megan Kelly is (not to mention getting in a shot at the Catholic Church because Faux had a priest on to attack her) Stewart pretty much bent them all over a table.

Look I know that TV personalities like the frauds on Faux are paid to read what they are handed by their programmers but they are arguing points that don't even parallel the situation. How is Fluke discussing how her friend couldnt pay for birth control that was needed to prevent cysts in her ovaries = her being promiscuous and begging for American Tax dollars to justify/protect her being a whore? And even better, how is it that women are some of the people spouting this disgusting crap? Are they self loathing? My lord most of the party and the bigg name conservatives are walking away from this yet Faux and the candidates (who fear his fat, oxycontin chewing wrath) defend him to no end...it is unbelievable.
 
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The Dem strategists are licking their chops and I can't imagine what the GOP strategists are doing. They had the usual GOP/Dem analysis of the week on the radio yest- this is the show where they actually sound intelligent and not just give talking points- and the GOP guy said something to the effect that he had no idea what the candidates were thinking. Don't they have wives and daughters? He does and he knows what they think in no uncertain terms.
 
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Just reading another thread and wondered if anyone knew how many other people have actually been asked to show their birth certificate other than the BS with Obama and McCain with the Panama thing.
 
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The funniest quip I've seen was someone saying "Obama's political advisors must have fallen over in disbelief when they found out that all they'd have to do to get re-elected was not call women whores."
 
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The funniest quip I've seen was someone saying "Obama's political advisors must have fallen over in disbelief when they found out that all they'd have to do to get re-elected was not call women whores."


The sad but true thing is that it will still be VERY close and the GOP will probably retain the House.
 
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He did...it was brilliant. Between ripping Rush, the Faux talking heads and showing what a hypocrit that dunce Megan Kelly is (not to mention getting in a shot at the Catholic Church because Faux had a priest on to attack her) Stewart pretty much bent them all over a table.

Look I know that TV personalities like the frauds on Faux are paid to read what they are handed by their programmers but they are arguing points that don't even parallel the situation. How is Fluke discussing how her friend couldnt pay for birth control that was needed to prevent cysts in her ovaries = her being promiscuous and begging for American Tax dollars to justify/protect her being a whore? And even better, how is it that women are some of the people spouting this disgusting crap? Are they self loathing? My lord most of the party and the bigg name conservatives are walking away from this yet Faux and the candidates (who fear his fat, oxycontin chewing wrath) defend him to no end...it is unbelievable.

Colbert was even better.

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Can't believe it was Ron Paul of all people coming out and saying he's only doing this because his advertisers are bailing.

I'll give George Will credit as well for being on top of this. This GOP clowns must be driving him nuts.

Regarding Maine, look either you're good enough to win the race or you're not. No matter if there's one other opponent or three of them. Get your butt out there and campaign and earn it. If the Dems can't pull the 35% of the vote that probably wins the seat, they don't deserve it. Don't know a lot about King but on face value having an Indy in there isn't a bad thing.
 
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The funniest quip I've seen was someone saying "Obama's political advisors must have fallen over in disbelief when they found out that all they'd have to do to get re-elected was not call women whores."
Six months is forever in politics. But it really does show the disconnect between what Republican opinion makers think their base wants to hear and everybody else.

I wonder if Romney's people think this is a blessing in (a very thick) disguise? His general campaign strategy is now reduced to "I'm not Obama... AND I'm not crazy." That's so simple even he probably can't screw it up.

The time is ripe for a Republican Sister Souljah moment. You pick some small fry who is saying the usual borderline personality disorder stuff, and rip them a new one. Then the Wise Old Heads all talk about how brave you were to stand up to the radicals in your own backyard. From that point on, the Rush types can still do their act and get paid, but you are inoculated in the public mind. As long as Rush is in on it, everybody wins.
 
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I guess this could fit here. A funny yet actually somewhat insightful article about wealth in the US and some common things people with money might say and how it is perceived by everyone else.

Very interesting article, thanks for posting. I enjoyed much of it.

Interesting though that the author has a blind spot as well. Far fewer people argue that "the rich" "should" pay their "fair share" than there are people who argue that "the rich" "MUST be FORCED" to pay their "fair share" through government action. I agree with the former while I find that the latter makes me very uncomfortable.

Private charity by the wealthy has been with us a long time, see Andrew Carnegie as probably the best example, though today we also have Warren "don't tax my wealth pal!" Buffett giving most of his fortune to charity so that he pays little estate tax.

Mitt blew a big chance when he released his income tax returns. He donated more money to charity than he paid in income tax. That was a golden opportunity for him to hold up the 1040 in one hand and Schedule A in the other and say: here (shake 1040) I paid half my fair share to the government, here (shake Schedule A) I paid half my fair share to various charities. Here (wave 1040), after running through payroll and benefits and bureaucracy, a fraction of the money I paid was made available to the people who actually need it, although much of that in the form of programs that seem to be ineffective at accomplishing their professed aims, while here (wave Schedule A), after running through a much smaller payroll and a much leaner bureaucracy, more of the money I gave went directly to help the people who needed help the most, in a way that recognized the reciprocal relationships we have: it is not only about our giving, it also is about how they receive it, is it only a hand out, or is it both a hand out and a hand up as well?

Anyway, when the government starts forcing people to pay their "fair share" then the line always must keep coming down. Human wants are unlimited while human resources are limited and sometimes people need to work both ends of the spectrum for society to prosper. Ravaging only the top while failing also to improve responsible utilization at the bottom is a recipe for long-term disaster.
 
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I think the main reason why Romney didn't want to make a big deal about his charitable giving was because he's been trying to avoid any talk of religion. He'll talk about faith in general terms, but he avoids specifics like the plague. It's hard to maintain that distinction and at the same time boast of all the millions you've given your church.
 
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Can't believe it was Ron Paul of all people coming out and saying he's only doing this because his advertisers are bailing.

I'll give George Will credit as well for being on top of this. This GOP clowns must be driving him nuts.

Regarding Maine, look either you're good enough to win the race or you're not. No matter if there's one other opponent or three of them. Get your butt out there and campaign and earn it. If the Dems can't pull the 35% of the vote that probably wins the seat, they don't deserve it. Don't know a lot about King but on face value having an Indy in there isn't a bad thing.


Well we are all suffering through a teabagger governor that only won because he was facing a center-left independent (socially liberal, moderate fiscally) and a democrat. (So over half of Mainers voted for someone that was socially liberal, but we ended up with the fool we have now.) I'd rather have the democrats put up a weak sacrificial candidate and elect King than be stuck with another tea-bagger. The good thing is there is an independent on the right, unlike the race for governor.
 
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not going to happen.

You are going to get Andrew Ian Dodge running as a Libertarian, Pingree for the Dems, King as an Independent, some Republican nutjob, and maybe one other no-name independent that will get 3% of the vote. The good news is Dodge and the Republican will split the tea-party nutjob vote.

actually I don't think Pingree will risk it now that King is in the race. Bill Schnieder (R) vs John Baldacci (D) vs Angus King (I) and Andrew Ian Dodge (LPME). King will be the favorite.
 
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I think the main reason why Romney didn't want to make a big deal about his charitable giving was because he's been trying to avoid any talk of religion. He'll talk about faith in general terms, but he avoids specifics like the plague.
I don't really need to hear him talk about The Plague.
 
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Some people had wondered how "poor" people could possibly be so stupid as to vote against their own economic interest by supporting Republicans. I have heard an interesting idea that seems to have much merit.

It is important to "less advantaged" people to have confidence that there is only one set of rules, and that set of rules should apply equally to everyone. Yet Tim Geithner and Charles Rangel can commit tax fraud and get away with merely paying back taxes and interest? The Patient "Protection" and "Affordable" Care Act sets out rigid rules, and in its first year over 800 waivers are granted? Someone can give a big campaign donation and see the green energy company he backs receive a $500 million federal loan?

The simplistic formula for these people is this: Repugnicans are thieves while Dummycrats are robbers. Having been the victim of both burglary and robbery, a burglary is less stressful and easier to recover from than a robbery: thieves are less threatening than robbers.*


We've all heard the list of greatest lies ever told, and most versions of that list have "I'm from the government, I'm here to help you" on that list. Progressives believe government power automatically will be used for good; the rest of us have too much real life experience to the contrary actually to believe that.





* Theft by stealth vs taking by force.
 
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I think the main reason why Romney didn't want to make a big deal about his charitable giving was because he's been trying to avoid any talk of religion. He'll talk about faith in general terms, but he avoids specifics like the plague. It's hard to maintain that distinction and at the same time boast of all the millions you've given your church.
And is it really charitable (of spirit) when the VAST majority of it is to a church that REQUIRES the donation? (Maybe it is, who am I to judge the intentions of someone I have never met.)
Progressives believe government power automatically will be used for good; the rest of us have too much real life experience to the contrary actually to believe that.
That's one spin. Another is: progressives believe that government can help people while the rest of you think that the only function government can possibly serve is to screw people over.

The thing is, these are equally (un)true generalizations. I really think that you have a lot of interesting things to say, but you are just like a biased news source, you seem to love spinning every "fact" to reflect your opinion while still sounding vaguely fact-y. I have to admit, you're better at spinning your opinion to sound neutral than Fox News, but not as good at it as CNN. :D
 
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wonder if Romney's people think this is a blessing in (a very thick) disguise? His general campaign strategy is now reduced to "I'm not Obama... AND I'm not crazy." That's so simple even he probably can't screw it up.

That strategy might be crazy enough to work. I wouldn't be surprised if this gong show is being "encouraged" by the Very Important People who support the GOP. They've already settled for Romney in their minds, and they're having everyone else act like a total whackadoo so he appears sane by comparison on November 2. Plus they can play rope-a-dope with the Dems and get them overconfident, maybe keep them away from the polls.
 
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