2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

[geezer]

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Hey I give you righties credit. Usually you're stuck in 1980. Looks like now you're only stuck in 2000!

my kids are telling me to get a "cellular telephone". You can bring it with you and telephone people from wherever you are. It seems like a waste of money to me, why would I want to telephone somebody?

 

[Rover]

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This is what I like about Mittens. He just can't go more than 5 minutes without committing a bonehead gaffe. Its like waiting for Charlie Sheen to get in trouble with the law again. Worse for him, he's the opposite of teflon. Everything sticks to him.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/04/lorain_officials_question_use.html

Gee Mitt, probably wasn't a good idea to hold an event in front of a factory closed during the prior administration to highlight the economic troubles under Obama. Doesn't that just scream out "he inherited the mess"?

 

[Priceless]

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yeah, along with Independent Democrat Joe Lieberman, another rightie, eh?

Just like you are an ardent liberal!

 

[Priceless]

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This is what I like about Mittens. He just can't go more than 5 minutes without committing a bonehead gaffe. Its like waiting for Charlie Sheen to get in trouble with the law again. Worse for him, he's the opposite of teflon. Everything sticks to him.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/04/lorain_officials_question_use.html

Gee Mitt, probably wasn't a good idea to hold an event in front of a factory closed during the prior administration to highlight the economic troubles under Obama. Doesn't that just scream out "he inherited the mess"?

Unemployment in Ohio was 8.6 percent when Obama took office in January 2009, peaked at 10.6 percent from July 2009 to January 2010, and fell to 7.6 percent in February 2012.

Hmmmm.

 

[FreshFish]

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Just like you are an ardent liberal!

yep, me and my buddy Joe, liberals both.

What do you have against individual liberty anyway? "we believe that people are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" -- what is it about that statement that offends you so much?

do you seriously believe that people do not have any inherent rights? that "rights" are merely privileges granted by the state which can be revoked by the state at any time?

 

[Priceless]

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What do you have against individual liberty anyway? "we believe that people are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" what is it about that statement that offends you so much?

do you seriously believe that people do not have any inherent rights? that "rights" are merely privileges granted by the state which can be revoked by the state at any time?

When did you stop beating your wife?

 

[FreshFish]

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When did you stop beating your wife?

I beat her up every morning! I get up at 5:15 while she doesn't get up until 7.

on the other hand, I profess a belief in individual liberty and inalienable rights and you mock those beliefs. Ergo, because of your mockery, is it not reasonable to infer that you do not share those beliefs?. Consequently, I ask you what you do believe in, and you respond with japery.

Are you ashamed of your beliefs that you choose not to discuss them?

 

[Priceless]

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I beat her up every morning! I get up at 5:15 while she doesn't get up until 7.

on the other hand, I profess a belief in individual liberty and inalienable rights and you mock those beliefs. Ergo, because of your mockery, is it not reasonable to infer that you do not share those beliefs?. Consequently, I ask you what you do believe in, and you respond with japery.

Are you ashamed of your beliefs that you choose not to discuss them?

No, I've just deemed them irrelevant.
See? Two can play that game...

 

[Carter]

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Aw, man, effin japery! Just when you're nearly convinced that there's nothing worth reading, some knucklehead says japery. Snort.

 

[Rover]

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I'm also thinking at this point the GOP campaign should be coordinating with the state parties, particularly in swing states, to boost his chances. What is up with this war the knucks' seem to want to fight with Planned Parenthood (in this case in Ohio)? Most people use contraception, so unless crabby old guys are the only people who show up on election day I can't possibly see how this issue is a winner. Yet, they just won't let it go. If I'm Romney's campaign I'm telling these people to cut the $#^&. I can easily see where a ballot initiative against illegals is a political winner. Maybe against unions in some states. This one is a loser, and I'm a bit surprised from a political standpoint that it keeps getting pushed.

 

[Kepler]

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my kids are telling me to get a "cellular telephone". You can bring it with you and telephone people from wherever you are. It seems like a waste of money to me, why would I want to telephone somebody?

I'll bet the cord gets all tangled, too.

 

[Twitch Boy]

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unless crabby old guys are the only people who show up on election day I can't possibly see how this issue is a winner.

You just answered your own question.

 

[mookie1995]

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Hmmmm.

hmmm what? you realize that everyone who was counted as unemployed then, probably isn't anymore (whether working or not). gov statistics blow (and this is of course not blaming or excusing anyone).

 

[leswp1]

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I'm also thinking at this point the GOP campaign should be coordinating with the state parties, particularly in swing states, to boost his chances. What is up with this war the knucks' seem to want to fight with Planned Parenthood (in this case in Ohio)? Most people use contraception, so unless crabby old guys are the only people who show up on election day I can't possibly see how this issue is a winner. Yet, they just won't let it go. If I'm Romney's campaign I'm telling these people to cut the $#^&. I can easily see where a ballot initiative against illegals is a political winner. Maybe against unions in some states. This one is a loser, and I'm a bit surprised from a political standpoint that it keeps getting pushed.

Um, there are plenty of people who are not for contraception in various ways. Depending on where they play this it could be good for them. There are plenty of very conservative people of both sexes (most of whom are past the age of worry) who don't think B.C is OK. Not what I believe but I think it is simplistic to dismiss an entire group of people. Even if people personally believe in BC they have very successfully managed to label PP as the provider of abortions, shh and that is enough to make them evil.

 

[Old Pio]

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This is what I like about Mittens. He just can't go more than 5 minutes without committing a bonehead gaffe. Its like waiting for Charlie Sheen to get in trouble with the law again. Worse for him, he's the opposite of teflon. Everything sticks to him.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/04/lorain_officials_question_use.html

Gee Mitt, probably wasn't a good idea to hold an event in front of a factory closed during the prior administration to highlight the economic troubles under Obama. Doesn't that just scream out "he inherited the mess"?

Bonehead, eh? "Maldives?" "Malvinas?" Who cares? The important point is he's apparantly selling out Great Britain to curry favor with. . .Argentina? Nice.

 

[joecct]

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Bonehead, eh? "Maldives?" "Malvinas?" Who cares? The important point is he's apparantly selling out Great Britain to curry favor with. . .Argentina? Nice.

Don't cry for me, Argentina.

 

[Kepler]

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Don't cry for me, Argentina.

The truth is I never left you.

 

[Rover]

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Um, there are plenty of people who are not for contraception in various ways. Depending on where they play this it could be good for them. There are plenty of very conservative people of both sexes (most of whom are past the age of worry) who don't think B.C is OK. Not what I believe but I think it is simplistic to dismiss an entire group of people. Even if people personally believe in BC they have very successfully managed to label PP as the provider of abortions, shh and that is enough to make them evil.

The problem les is that the people who are anti-contraception (and lets label them "old people" for simplicity's sake) are already overwhelming 1) likely to vote, and 2) likely to vote for someone their own age (The Mittster). 4 years ago Obama lost the "old people" vote, but won in a relative landslide. Fast forward to today, and there's less McCain voters still with us while there's more young people entering the voting pool. What Romney needs is those people to stay home. Why then would you push provocative policies destined to get them to turn out? It doesn't make sense but I applaud the effort by our rightly friends. Nothing like going after something 98% of the population used at some point or another...

 

[FreshFish]

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Hmm...interesting nuance in one of the latest polls regarding Romney's so-called "women's problem":

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC survey seems to be just the latest bit of evidence of Mr. Romney’s “woman problem” – it shows a 12-point deficit with the female voters in a head-to-head matchup with President Barack Obama.

But look closer and a different divide emerges, a more complicated one around marriage.

In that same poll Mr. Romney wins with married voters, even married women – he carries them by 3 percentage points 49% to 46%. He does better with married men, winning them by 13 percentage points, 52% to 39%.

But when the lens shifts to unmarried voters, the score changes dramatically. Mr. Romney trails Mr. Obama by an astounding 36 percentage points among women who aren’t married – 28% to 64% respectively. And it doesn’t get much better for the Romney team if you shift to look at men. He trails the president among men who aren’t married by some 23 percentage points – 33% for Mr. Romney versus 56% for Mr. Obama.

The rest of the article goes on to parse the groups more finely and to speculate on some potential "causative factors."



If I am merely speculating on the election for fun using the Iowa Electronic Futures Market (I'm up slightly from my initial foray since I first mentioned it), this is more evidence at least for a hold if not for a buy. When gaps are as big as they are in Obama's favor right now, it's hard to imagine them widening much, especially as people start paying closer attention to the issues. Obama will go more negative than Romney while Romney will keep doing his "aw shucks gee whiz" routine and the gap will narrow.

There's no way I'm holding the position into the election, I know I'll close it out sooner than that, but for now it is a way to take away some of the dreariness.

 

[FreshFish]

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Looks like Obama's campaign team needs to do a better job of getting the troops in line...Romneys team alaready is responding a lot more quickly and a lot more effectively than McCain's ever did.

So today the Dem Gov of Montana tries to make a snarky point about Romney's great-grandfather going to a polygamist commune in Mexico (Romney's paternal grandparents lived there but they were monogamous to each other)....and guess who else has a polygamist ancestor? Yes, Obama's father.

Obama's father, who apparently converted to Catholicism while attending a Roman Catholic school, was also polygamous in keeping with local custom, taking an informal Kenyan wife who preceded Obama's mother but remained a consort, according to accounts by local people and the senator himself

(this is from a New York Times article from 2008, the Senator being Obama himself as it was written before the election).