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2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

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FreshFish said:
Hmm...interesting nuance in one of the latest polls regarding Romney's so-called "women's problem":



The rest of the article goes on to parse the groups more finely and to speculate on some potential "causative factors."



If I am merely speculating on the election for fun using the Iowa Electronic Futures Market (I'm up slightly from my initial foray since I first mentioned it), this is more evidence at least for a hold if not for a buy. When gaps are as big as they are in Obama's favor right now, it's hard to imagine them widening much, especially as people start paying closer attention to the issues. Obama will go more negative than Romney while Romney will keep doing his "aw shucks gee whiz" routine and the gap will narrow.There's no way I'm holding the position into the election, I know I'll close it out sooner than that, but for now it is a way to take away some of the dreariness.
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Romney tried the aw shucks thing when he was way ahead. In any state where he wasn't he had very nasty campaigns with lots of negs. He spent oodles of dollars on extremely negative campaign tactics- enough that the coverage around here was about how wildly negative the campaign had gotten and the comparison of how many $ were spent by the opponents v Romney. I don't see him maintaining the aw shucks thing. He wasn't good at it in the primary and I don't see him being able to coast in the gen election.
 
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Interesting. Troubling.:rolleyes:
 
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I know Obama may have ate a dog, but isn't it cruel to beat a dead horse?

(And yes I am aware that I am the Official Dead Horse Beater round these parts. :D)
 
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FreshFish said:
Looks like Obama's campaign team needs to do a better job of getting the troops in line...Romneys team alaready is responding a lot more quickly and a lot more effectively than McCain's ever did.

So today the Dem Gov of Montana tries to make a snarky point about Romney's great-grandfather going to a polygamist commune in Mexico (Romney's paternal grandparents lived there but they were monogamous to each other)....and guess who else has a polygamist ancestor? Yes, Obama's father.

(this is from a New York Times article from 2008, the Senator being Obama himself as it was written before the election).
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IMO who cares about fathers, second cousins or sisters bestfriends fiancees. If you've got a problem with polygamy...mormonism is not your religion.

But if it matters, Romney's grandparents may not have been but his greatgrandparents certainly seem to have been: Romney's grandparents were polygamous Mormons who fled the United States with their children owing to the federal government's prosecution of polygamy. I have yet to see an instance where wiki was proven wrong.
 
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5mn_Major said:
IMO who cares about fathers, second cousins or sisters bestfriends fiancees. If you've got a problem with polygamy...mormonism is not your religion.

But if it matters, Romney's grandparents may not have been but his greatgrandparents certainly seem to have been: Romney's grandparents were polygamous Mormons who fled the United States with their children owing to the federal government's prosecution of polygamy. I have yet to see an instance where wiki was proven wrong.
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And the winner of this week's Nixon Kick In the Nards trophy is (drumroll) 5mn Major. Nixon used to say things like "there are many prominent, God fearing, patriotic Americans who say 5mn Major is a commie lover, but I would never say such a thing."

First dismiss concerns about the marital status of "fathers, second cousins or sisters. . ." then go for the low blow with rumors about romney's GREATgrandparents (for the love of God)! Very nice. We'll be dealing with this sh*t from now 'til November, chiefly from people who assert any opposition to His Dogburgerness is racist. And how important it is to show respect to people of different faiths, primarily Muslims. But LDS, not so much.
 
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Good lord. They're both politicians, which means they've done plenty of vile disgusting acts without pinning the sins of their (dead) ancestors on them.
 
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This will help Scott Walker in his recall election.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker quietly reinstated a program to give merit raises and bonuses to some state workers even as he preached cost-cutting and pushed through a law reducing most public workers' pay and eliminating their union rights.

An analysis of data The Associated Press obtained through an open records request showed Wisconsin agencies have handed out more than $765,000 in bonuses and merit raises this year to nearly 220 employees.

The money was awarded under a program former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle suspended but Walker reinstated last year. The money is meant to reward stellar performance, but it comes as the state faces a $143 million shortfall and after thousands of state workers took pay cuts through provisions in the collective bargaining law requiring them to contribute more to their pensions and health care.
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The state Department of Justice, which couldn't find enough money to fully fund services for sexual assault victims last year, was the biggest spender, giving out nearly $300,000 to 94 workers.

Assistant Attorney General Maria Lazar, who defended Walker's collective bargaining law in an open meetings challenge and has handled the state's defense of Republican redistricting legislation, got a $1,000 bonus and a $1.50-an-hour raise in March, bumping her salary by more than $3,000 to $104,730.

Deputy Attorney General Kevin St. John, who defended the collective bargaining law in front of the state Supreme Court, got a $2.51-an-hour raise in March that adds up to more than $5,000 per year and brings his pay to $134,307.
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The Justice Department handed out raises even after it warned budget cuts had forced it to reduce grants from its Sexual Assault Victim Services program by 42.5 percent. Walker later rescinded those cuts amid an outcry from service providers.
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Glad I don't go to the University of Wisconsin.

The University of Wisconsin System, meanwhile, also gave out nearly $300,000 in raises and bonuses. Five employees, including a power plant superintendent at UW-Milwaukee and a UW Extension human resources manager, each received $5,520 bonuses, the largest ones anyone in state government received.

The bonuses and raises come as the system absorbs a $250 million cut in the 2011-13 state budget as well as another $46 million in additional cuts this year. Tuition has gone up by at least 5.5 percent across system campuses.
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I'm sure the usual suspects who decry government largess will be all over this. Right?

Walker, who faces a June 5 recall election prompted by anger over the collective bargaining law, prides himself on fiscal restraint.
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Guess not.
 
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Watching the cons try to rally around Mitt is cute. Desperate, but cute.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Watching the cons try to rally around Mitt is cute. Desperate, but cute.
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Even funnier is watching Mittens try to shift on some of his positions, only to have his newfound conservative friends tell him "oh no you don't". Case in point, immigration. The guy's running around embracing Arizona's law, building a fence, self deportation and other such nonsense during the primaries. Now he can't even embrace Rubio's modified DREAM Act. Romney's campaign seems to want to take a page from Nixon's run to the middle mantra. Problem is Nixon ran his last campaign 40 years ago. There was no internet, Twitter, 24/7 news cycle, or anything else recording your every word at campaign events. Too tough to pull that off now, as I suspect The Mittster is going to find out the hard way.
 
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Rover said:
Even funnier is watching Mittens try to shift on some of his positions, only to have his newfound conservative friends tell him "oh no you don't". Case in point, immigration. The guy's running around embracing Arizona's law, building a fence, self deportation and other such nonsense during the primaries. Now he can't even embrace Rubio's modified DREAM Act. Romney's campaign seems to want to take a page from Nixon's run to the middle mantra. Problem is Nixon ran his last campaign 40 years ago. There was no internet, Twitter, 24/7 news cycle, or anything else recording your every word at campaign events. Too tough to pull that off now, as I suspect The Mittster is going to find out the hard way.
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It also used to be the case that you could ride into one town on your whistle stop tour, promise the residents something, then ride into the next town and promise the exact opposite. Media coverage was far more local and there really wasn't an overarching entity to frame the discrepancy.

But we shouldn't underestimate the skill of campaigns to paper over rather blatant contradictions, and more importantly the ability of supporters to willfully ignore them. Romney may have no more trouble appearing consistent than McCain or Obama, who each embraced whopping contradictions. Obama has continued at least one of the serious crimes he ran against during the election (indefinite detention without charge). Not too many people are going to change their vote based on that knowledge -- all sorts of "reasons" are available to justify it.

The only wildcard I can imagine mattering is if Romney actually does have problems with the real radical religious types about him "not being a Christian." We'll see if that actually has any effect. The Echo Chamber will be working those people all summer, but their defining feature has always allegedly been they were believers, not pragmatists, and that they can't be won over by "what choice do you have?"
 
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Yah, with the media breathing down Romney's neck as they try to ensure Obama is re-elected, Romney's shifts, which are not unsubstantial, will be highlighted in bright neon. He doesn't get the pass on things Obama does. Not fair, but such is life.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yah, with the media breathing down Romney's neck as they try to ensure Obama is re-elected, Romney's shifts, which are not unsubstantial, will be highlighted in bright neon. He doesn't get the pass on things Obama does. Not fair, but such is life.
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Life must suck in whichever world you live.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yah, with the media breathing down Romney's neck as they try to ensure Obama is re-elected, Romney's shifts, which are not unsubstantial, will be highlighted in bright neon. He doesn't get the pass on things Obama does. Not fair, but such is life.
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"Apparently, I'm supposed to be more outraged by what Mitt Romney does with his money than by what Barack Obama does with mine."
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Some radio announcer in Texas;)
 
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I sure hope the story described in this link does not come to pass.....there is already enough cynicism and blatant manipulation as it stands now. :( not to mention total disregard for the law.


[certain] aspects of the ObamaCare law don’t kick in until after the 2012 election, when the president will no longer be answerable to voters....
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and to try to paraphrase the rest of it without the snide commentary, and so the HHS purportedly is going to take money set aside for "experimental purposes" and use it to subsidize Medicare Advantage for a year, because the law cuts MA plans way back and seniors would be getting their renewal notices in October, just a few weeks before the election. If they saw what the law would do to these popular MA plans there certainly would be a hue and cry at the worst possible time, and so to forestall this potential politically embarrassment, HHS would illegally re-direct $8.3 billion of Medicare funds.

Like I said, every time I want to try to give Obama benefit of the doubt and keep an open mind, another one of these stories pops up.
 
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