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2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

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nobody wants to swing away at this one? He's saying we, the people, exist only due to the good grace and favor of the government.

The Revolution was wasted on some people. Tell Washington never mind, bring the boys home.

Funny. After the revolution was over the first thing they did was create a government. Why?

I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to understand.
 
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Funny. After the revolution was over the first thing they did was create a government. Why?

I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to understand.

lucky thing! if we wouldn't even exist otherwise. That was good thinking
 
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Or we'd be Afghanistan. What a wonderful place to live. I bet their taxes are low.

"Not sure if serious." Are you referring to how since we went in and slowed the Taliban down for a while, it's become a collection of warlords' little fiefdoms representing Paul Ryan's wet dream of "individual" determination by the dudes with the most guns and poppies? Or how, the Taliban represented the ultimate in government control over people's lives, and how that's Nancy Pelosi's most glorious dream?

I'm not too fond of either version. But luckily, we're here to consider such questions. If it wasn't for Barry (who has rapidly progressed from the "Messiah" we've all heard so much about who was supposed to pay off all our mortgages but somehow never quite got around to it; to "Creator", without whose fantastic benevolence we wouldn't even exist in physical form) we wouldn't even be here to care.
 
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Funny. After the revolution was over the first thing they did was create a government. Why?

I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to understand.

Not all revolutions are equal, are they? Our revolution was led by men of substance, intellect and vision. They took the time to write a declaration of why they believed we were entitled to be independent. Compare that to the communist guttersnipes in Russia or the Nazi goons in Germany. "Mein Kampf?" Don't make me laugh.

Secondly, the government they created was not handed down by some genus of super beings. It was carefully, vigorously and in some cases heatedly debated. Based on hundreds of years of English common law, going all the way back to Prince John at Runnymede. The Founders provided the Federalist Papers so we could understand what they were doing.

They created a document which allowed for correcting their oversights: slavery, women's sufferage. They created a marvelous system of checks and balances, with a weak executive, to guard against usurpation of unwarranted power. An utterly brilliant bi-cameral legislature with one house based on population, the other on states. And a court system, with a Supreme Court, to resolve Constitutional disagreements. And, perhaps most importantly, they were all dedicated to the principles enunciated. They weren't just paying lip service. They meant what they said.

The system they created has stood the test of time. Look at what happened after Nixon resigned: the un-elected Vice President took the oath, and with advise and consent from the Senate, appointed another un-elected Vice President. Thus, neither of the leaders of our executive brach were elected. Tanks in the streets? Riots? Calls for abolition of the Constitution (other than Elizabeth Holtzman)? Nothing.

In Scoobyworld, evidently, anything government can conceive is good, because it's the government. Like Ralphie abandoning Flick on the flag pole: "The bell rang." No questions asked. Just take off your shoes, drop trou and do it. I beg to differ.
 
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Nothing but farmers on my mother's side of the family. I remember how jealous I was of my 13-year old cousin, who drove various vehicles. Of course, it wasn't an indulgence, it was a necessity. Farm work is very dangerous, no question. But this micro-managing strikes me as a "bridge too far."
 
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In Scoobyworld, evidently, anything government can conceive is good, because it's the government. Like Ralphie abandoning Flick on the flag pole: "The bell rang." No questions asked. Just take off your shoes, drop trou and do it. I beg to differ.

It's amazing how obtuse you are. I hate to break this to you but we are the government. Get it now? No, I doubt you do.
 
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I like this comment from the Facebook page:
Meg Lucas Lunsford said:
Working never hurt anyone

I can think of examples when working has hurt plenty of people. Even killed them. According to the Department of Labor, "Farming, Fishing and Forestry" suffer 300 fatalities per year. According to the Ohio DOL "The agriculture sector fatality rate was 23 deaths per 100,000 workers compared to a rate of 4 deaths per 100,000 workers in the general workforce."

Further, the website you linked is owned by someone who went to the trouble of registering with Network Solutions privately. If this really was a group of family farmers, why exactly are they going to the trouble (and added expense) of registering privately? Network Solutions advertises domain registration as a way to "promote your business to millions of viewers". Granted, the "millions" of viewers is probably overstating it just a tad.

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess that the organization behind this website is the agribusiness community. In fact, one of the people who has been talking excessively about that website on other message boards is a (wait for it) lobbyist for agribusiness. It took a little digging to make the connection, but the information is out there. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

So I'm going to come down on the side of workplace safety, and notsomuch on the fear of a nanny state.
 
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While John Podhoretz writes from a right-wing perspective, he does seem to be pretty clear-headed and fair-minded. I can't stand Karl Rove's meanderings, and I usually learn something new from Podhoretz.

Today he indicates that Romney may surprisingly hit just the right nuance to develop a winning strategy.

To paraphrase, for Romney to go on the attack against Obama, he risks alienating all those who voted for Obama in 2008; he can't afford to make them feel like he is saying they did a stupid thing in '08. So Romney says, "given Obama's promises, of course you voted for him. He presented himself as a very attractive candidate. However, he's broken those promises. He promised hope and change yet all he's delivered is unemployment and misery. Now, I do represent genuine hope: hope that a free people who are rewarded for hard work and extra effort will help us recover our national greatness. The only thing Obama promises these days is more regulation, more bureaucracy, more red tape, more stagnation, ever-growing deficits."

It's a marked improvement over "he's a nice guy who's over is head."

Let's see if he has the discipline and the fortitude to keep his focus. Obama's minions will do everything they can to distract and obfuscate. It's a shame he's abdicated governance so soon; it's not even summer, yet he personally is already in full campaign mode. They just have to be careful and not try to portray Romney as weird, because no matter how weird Romney's background may seem, Romney's people so far in counterattack have made Obama seem even weirder.

Interesting how Romney's team has not yet launched any attacks on Obama himself, only on his record. Anything about Obama personally has come out only in response to something one of Obama's supporters put out there first. You can bet that if Obama's team tries to hound Romney about his income tax returns, he'll respond with something like "right after Barry releases his transcripts".

I think Romney may surprise us. He's certainly surprised me so far. I was not expecting him to be as effective as he's been so far.

It's the Harvard MBA vs the Harvard JD. Another Ivy Leaguer (from grad school) either way. Haven't we had enough of them already?? sigh. Although undergrad, BYU vs Columbia is about as far to either pole as you can get.
 
Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

I like this comment from the Facebook page:


I can think of examples when working has hurt plenty of people. Even killed them. According to the Department of Labor, "Farming, Fishing and Forestry" suffer 300 fatalities per year. According to the Ohio DOL "The agriculture sector fatality rate was 23 deaths per 100,000 workers compared to a rate of 4 deaths per 100,000 workers in the general workforce."

Further, the website you linked is owned by someone who went to the trouble of registering with Network Solutions privately. If this really was a group of family farmers, why exactly are they going to the trouble (and added expense) of registering privately? Network Solutions advertises domain registration as a way to "promote your business to millions of viewers". Granted, the "millions" of viewers is probably overstating it just a tad.

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess that the organization behind this website is the agribusiness community. In fact, one of the people who has been talking excessively about that website on other message boards is a (wait for it) lobbyist for agribusiness. It took a little digging to make the connection, but the information is out there. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

So I'm going to come down on the side of workplace safety, and notsomuch on the fear of a nanny state.

The suspense was killing me. GD agribusiness. What the h*ll do they know? Let's get rid of the lobbyists, and let's start with the ones His Hypocritcalness has working for him in the WH.
 
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I think Romney may surprise us. He's certainly surprised me so far. I was not expecting him to be as effective as he's been so far.

He's primarily been a surprise in that there's nobody else in the GOP to run to.

Problem is...the vague things he says he stands for are different than what he used to stand for. I don't mind that, but he doesn't stand for anything solid today. Frankly Cain had a more solid plan in 999 than Romney has in just about every policy facet combined.
 
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While John Podhoretz writes from a right-wing perspective, he does seem to be pretty clear-headed and fair-minded. I can't stand Karl Rove's meanderings, and I usually learn something new from Podhoretz.

Personally, I think JPod wouldn't have a job if it weren't for his father, Norm. He strikes me as just another Neocon Nepotist, where an accomplished parent starts his pinhead son thirty steps higher up the ladder than he would deserve otherwise. See also: William Kristol (Irving was the real deal; Bill is an eejit).

As for that strategy, meh, it's all he's got. Romney seems to be setting up to run cloaked in the magical folds of Wall Street's technicolor raincoat, and even though voters have short memories it was only 4 years ago that Wall Street nearly destroyed the entire western world, so that's a tough sell.
 
Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

While John Podhoretz writes from a right-wing perspective, he does seem to be pretty clear-headed and fair-minded. I can't stand Karl Rove's meanderings, and I usually learn something new from Podhoretz.

Today he indicates that Romney may surprisingly hit just the right nuance to develop a winning strategy.

To paraphrase, for Romney to go on the attack against Obama, he risks alienating all those who voted for Obama in 2008; he can't afford to make them feel like he is saying they did a stupid thing in '08. So Romney says, "given Obama's promises, of course you voted for him. He presented himself as a very attractive candidate. However, he's broken those promises. He promised hope and change yet all he's delivered is unemployment and misery. Now, I do represent genuine hope: hope that a free people who are rewarded for hard work and extra effort will help us recover our national greatness. The only thing Obama promises these days is more regulation, more bureaucracy, more red tape, more stagnation, ever-growing deficits."

It's a marked improvement over "he's a nice guy who's over is head."

Let's see if he has the discipline and the fortitude to keep his focus. Obama's minions will do everything they can to distract and obfuscate. It's a shame he's abdicated governance so soon; it's not even summer, yet he personally is already in full campaign mode. They just have to be careful and not try to portray Romney as weird, because no matter how weird Romney's background may seem, Romney's people so far in counterattack have made Obama seem even weirder.

Interesting how Romney's team has not yet launched any attacks on Obama himself, only on his record. Anything about Obama personally has come out only in response to something one of Obama's supporters put out there first. You can bet that if Obama's team tries to hound Romney about his income tax returns, he'll respond with something like "right after Barry releases his transcripts".

I think Romney may surprise us. He's certainly surprised me so far. I was not expecting him to be as effective as he's been so far.

It's the Harvard MBA vs the Harvard JD. Another Ivy Leaguer (from grad school) either way. Haven't we had enough of them already?? sigh. Although undergrad, BYU vs Columbia is about as far to either pole as you can get.

Ladies and Gentlemen: Introducing the only rightly who's actually happy with the Romney campaign! I guess Barnum was right. There's one born every minute.

Barring a double dip recession (which the conservatives have brought to England) Romney is screwed. Look no further than what's being considered the swing states. North Carolina? New Hampshire? Florida? Virginia? Arizona (which two polls this week have as a tie)? 8 years ago Bush II was putting pressure on IA and NM which he flipped, NV, WI, PA, and OH. Florida was off the board well before election day, and VA and NC were never on it. Now to win the election Mittens has to take just about every swing state. Good luck with that. ;)
 
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