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2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

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unofan said:
No one's disparaging the workers. But it is telling that these people are one accident or major illness away from bankruptcy, and that's somehow not a bad thing to them. They're taking it as almost a point of pride that they don't have health insurance, which while bootstrappy is absolutely asinine. Hell, my wife and I actually got married for the benefits (we were already engaged, I had a job with insurance, she didn't. We got hitched over our lunch break at the court house). Turns out it was the right call, as she had to go to the hospital about 4 months later.

If these people are happy working 80 hours a week at 2 jobs without any benefits, more power to them, I guess. But considering this is the richest country in the world, it shouldn't have to be that way.

I especially like the guy who's proud he hasn't taken 4 consecutive days off in 4 years. Because never taking a vacation is an absolutely awesome way to go through life. In fact, I really wish my wife and I hadn't spent a week in Jamaica last winter for our Honeymoon. Lying on the beach in 83 degree weather for seven days straight absolutely sucked compared to staying in Iowa with a foot of snow on the ground.
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to each his own. I like your attitude a lot better than the blogger, who assumes that if they are proud to work and pay taxes, they must be some kind of freaks. Some people are happy to work their butts off, and others reasonably want to protest wall street corruption. Does the fact that other people value work above other things like Jamaica vacations or taxpayer-funded hot lunches somehow invalidate their own priorities? Why?
 
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geezer said:
to each his own. I like your attitude a lot better than the blogger, who assumes that if they are proud to work and pay taxes, they must be some kind of freaks. Some people are happy to work their butts off, and others reasonably want to protest wall street corruption. Does the fact that other people value work above other things like Jamaica vacations or taxpayer-funded hot lunches somehow invalidate their own priorities? Why?
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It doesn't invalidate them, but it does make me question them. If they want to take it as a point of pride that they're working 80 hours a week, that's understandable. There are plenty of work-a-holics out there.

But if they're actually happy that despite working 80 hours/week they have no insurance, no retirement savings (pension, 401k, or otherwise), and no real hope of ever increasing their lot in life, then I have to wonder whether they're actually happy or just putting on a brave facade to fool themselves as much as anyone. It's not the willingness to work that's being questioned, it's the willingness to work for peanuts and then taking it as a point of pride that you are only getting peanuts that's mind-boggling.
 
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unofan said:
It's not the willingness to work that's being questioned, it's the willingness to work for peanuts and then taking it as a point of pride that you are only getting peanuts that's mind-boggling.
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For what it's worth, this is exactly the way I read it too.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Cantor's speech on Friday should be very illuminating to how the GOP is going to try and continue to make this work. So far they've managed pretty well but the poll numbers have to worrisome.
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Politicians need to learn to stay off TV...I mean The Daily Show doesnt even need to try and they can destroy these guys.

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Kepler said:
Someday there's going to be a Republican Sister Souljah Moment, where some rising candidate tells the hate brigade the gig's up. Cantor does not in any way seem like he has the intestinal fortitude for that, which is why I expect him to take the easy route. But the GOP has been following the pre-Clinton Dems' trajectory of being publicly identified with its most unpleasant subgroup, and eventually somebody ambitious and politically adventuresome is going to play that card.

Talk radio is more and more Al Sharpton every day: completely insulated and self-confident, while the rest of the world rolls its eyes. It's still demographically relevant, but how much longer can that really last? Like replacement smokers, the next generation is out there, but in much smaller numbers, and with much less brand-loyalty.
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It's "the jig is up," not "gig." I can't believe our resident self-described intellectual superior is making this mistake inadvertently. I corrected you on it once before. I know, I'm being punished and ignored because I don't worship at your shrine. But it's really "jig." And it doesn't have phuck all to do with race. Or are you one of those demented types who condemns the word "niggardly" because it SOUNDS racist? In this instance, the "jig" refers to a dance. On the other hand, you keep racking up those PC points and you'll win a trip to Bakersfield.
 
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Kepler said:
Someday there's going to be a Republican Sister Souljah Moment, where some rising candidate tells the hate brigade the gig's up. Cantor does not in any way seem like he has the intestinal fortitude for that, which is why I expect him to take the easy route. But the GOP has been following the pre-Clinton Dems' trajectory of being publicly identified with its most unpleasant subgroup, and eventually somebody ambitious and politically adventuresome is going to play that card.

Talk radio is more and more Al Sharpton every day: completely insulated and self-confident, while the rest of the world rolls its eyes. It's still demographically relevant, but how much longer can that really last? Like replacement smokers, the next generation is out there, but in much smaller numbers, and with much less brand-loyalty.
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His name is Gary Johnson, and (word is) he's running for president.

October 19, 2011, New York, NY — Presidential candidate Gary Johnson paid an unannounced visit Tuesday night to the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York.

Commenting after seeing the protest first-hand, the former New Mexico governor said, “Like many Americans, I was curious about the motivations of these folks, and frankly, what they are protesting. Not surprisingly, there are a lot of different answers to those questions. I found one thing to be clear… these protests are one more symptom of the anger Americans, including me, feel about an outrageous jobless rate, a government that bails out people who don’t deserve to be bailed out, and policies that have us spending billions on wars we shouldn’t be fighting, especially when we have real needs right here at home.
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”While I was Governor of New Mexico I made it a point to listen to every citizen’s concern first hand. I held an open door to the Governor’s office every Thursday afternoon and invited anyone with an issue to bring their problem directly to my office. I, for one, believe everyone deserves to be heard, whether I agree with them or not. In that sense, it is a mistake to dismiss these protests, and I wanted to at least take the time to see what they are about.”
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Kepler said:
I thought it was either/or, but he appears to be correct.
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unofan said:
But if they're actually happy that despite working 80 hours/week they have no insurance, no retirement savings (pension, 401k, or otherwise), and no real hope of ever increasing their lot in life, then I have to wonder whether they're actually happy or just putting on a brave facade to fool themselves as much as anyone. It's not the willingness to work that's being questioned, it's the willingness to work for peanuts and then taking it as a point of pride that you are only getting peanuts that's mind-boggling.
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Bear in mind that some professions require horrible hours and pay at the entry level positions in order to move up. I'd like to know how long they've been putting in those hours and whether or not it has improved their position in their respective companies. If they started at minimum wage and are now making significantly more than that (but are still working ****ty hours), that's at least a step in the right direction and is understandable. If they are in the exact same role and are making the same money, then there's clearly something wrong with their expectations / sense of self worth.
 
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