2012 D1 BCS thread

[ScoobyDoo]

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Nothing in that says that they will play Stanford every year (although a strong indication that they will), just that they will play an annual game with Navy. I could see Stanford dropping to an every other year type agreement in the future.

Ok. If you say so.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Ok. If you say so.

That's the spirit.

 

[bronconick]

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Nothing in that says that they will play Stanford every year (although a strong indication that they will), just that they will play an annual game with Navy. I could see Stanford dropping to an every other year type agreement in the future.

A west coast presence requires playing a game on the west coast yearly. That means playing both USC and Stanford and rotating the home/away. They're not dropping Stanford, certainly not to keep Michigan.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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A west coast presence requires playing a game on the west coast yearly. That means playing both USC and Stanford and rotating the home/away. They're not dropping Stanford, certainly not to keep Michigan.

I'm not trying to debate that, just that I think in the future that the Stanford series could go to every other year. To my knowledge, Stanford and USC are not the only west coast teams.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm not trying to debate that, just that I think in the future that the Stanford series could go to every other year. To my knowledge, Stanford and USC are not the only west coast teams.

You think they're going to add other West Coast teams when there schedule flexibility is shrinking?

I don't think so.

 

[Bob Gray]

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A west coast presence requires playing a game on the west coast yearly. That means playing both USC and Stanford and rotating the home/away. They're not dropping Stanford, certainly not to keep Michigan.

If they keep USC every year, that's a west coast presence for sure. They don't have to have Stanford for that, though of course two games would be more of a presence. I don't know. Has Notre Dame-Stanford become a big deal in recent years or is there some other reason why it'd win out over more longstanding rivalries?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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You think they're going to add other West Coast teams when there schedule flexibility is shrinking?

I don't think so.

They play other west coast teams already, why not schedule Stanford and Michigan every other year to keep those rivalries going and play a team like Washington State or Washington (or an Oregon school or BYU or Utah...etc.) in years where they don't play USC or Stanford out west to make sure that they play at least one west coast game each year.

 

[bronconick]

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If they keep USC every year, that's a west coast presence for sure. They don't have to have Stanford for that, though of course two games would be more of a presence. I don't know. Has Notre Dame-Stanford become a big deal in recent years or is there some other reason why it'd win out over more longstanding rivalries?

They want a game on the west coast annually for recruiting purposes. They need two schools to do that, thus Stanford. The only more preferable WC school would probably be UCLA, since southern California is the real recruiting motherlode. Utah, Washington State, Oregon State, etc. are inferior choices for their goals.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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They want a game on the west coast annually for recruiting purposes. They need two schools to do that, thus Stanford. The only more preferable WC school would probably be UCLA, since southern California is the real recruiting motherlode. Utah, Washington State, Oregon State, etc. are inferior choices for their goals.

Then how about this...

Year #1
@ USC
vs Michigan
vs Purdue
@ MSU
vs Navy
@BC (ACC 5)
vs ACC 1
@ ACC 2
vs ACC 3
@ ACC 4
vs Generic U
vs Easy State

Year #2
@ Stanford
vs. USC
@ Purdue
vs MSU
Navy (neutral)
vs BC (ACC 5)
vs ACC 1
@ ACC 2
vs ACC 3
@ ACC 4
vs Generic U
vs Easy State

Year #3
@ USC
@ Michigan
vs Purdue
@ MSU
vs Navy
@BC (ACC 5)
vs ACC 1
@ ACC 2
vs ACC 3
@ ACC 4
vs Generic U
vs Easy State

Year #4
vs. Stanford
vs. USC
@ Purdue
vs MSU
Navy (neutral)
vs BC (ACC 5)
vs ACC 1
@ ACC 2
vs ACC 3
@ ACC 4
vs Generic U
@ UCLA (or another west coast school, imo)

They play a west coast game every year, maintain yearly rivalries with Michigan State, Purdue, Navy, BC, and USC, maintain rivalries with Michigan and Stanford (every other year), play their 4 other ACC games, and still have 2 gimme home games each year except Year 4.

 

[Bob Gray]

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They want a game on the west coast annually for recruiting purposes. They need two schools to do that, thus Stanford. The only more preferable WC school would probably be UCLA, since southern California is the real recruiting motherlode. Utah, Washington State, Oregon State, etc. are inferior choices for their goals.

Ah, I see. So USC by itself doesn't do it, as the game every other year is at Notre Dame, not out west. That makes sense. I agree that if they're targetting California recruiting, playing someone like Washington State or Utah wouldn't cut it, or even playing someone next door, like ASU. I wonder how many players they typically get from California?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Ah, I see. So USC by itself doesn't do it, as the game every other year is at Notre Dame, not out west. That makes sense. I agree that if they're targetting California recruiting, playing someone like Washington State or Utah wouldn't cut it, or even playing someone next door, like ASU. I wonder how many players they typically get from California?

I count 10 on their current roster, but they also have 2 from Nevada, 3 from Hawaii, and 1 from Washington. It's a pretty good recruiting ground for them.

 

[Alton]

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Michigan and Notre Dame's current contract extends through 2017. In 2007, Notre Dame issued a press release announcing that they had agreed to a contract with Michigan for the years 2020 through 2031. In 2010, the Michigan AD at the time mentioned that the contract for 2020-2031 had never been finalized. Although no reason was given, presumably it was due to all of the conference switching going on at the time.

I'm guessing that the 2020-2031 contract won't happen now, and the Michigan-Notre Dame series will probably end after the 2017 game, with possible sporadic 2-game contracts, maybe two games every 4 to 8 years.

 

[Kepler]

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I am very surprised that ND made any athletic move that put such constraints on football. This seems to me to further indicate diminution of football in the athletic department.

Can't imagine NBC is too happy, either.

If I were ND I would start with Navy, USC, and Michigan as mandatory games. Add 5 ACC opponents and that leaves 4 more games. Still plenty of flexibility. I would certainly keep Michigan before Stanford for the national standing of the programs.

As for Purdue and Michigan State, other long term rivals (Army, Northwestern, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Air Force) have come and gone over the years.

The only really good news I see in this is that it puts a stake in the insane notion of ND joining the Big East in football.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I am very surprised that ND made any athletic move that put such constraints on football. This seems to me to further indicate diminution of football in the athletic department.

Can't imagine NBC is too happy, either.

If I were ND I would start with Navy, USC, and Michigan as mandatory games. Add 5 ACC opponents and that leaves 4 more games. Still plenty of flexibility. I would certainly keep Michigan before Stanford for the national standing of the programs.

As for Purdue and Michigan State, other long term rivals (Army, Northwestern, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Air Force) have come and gone over the years.

The only really good news I see in this is that it puts a stake in the insane notion of ND joining the Big East in football.

When I think hallmark nonconference games for Notre Dame, I think of Michigan and USC, with everyone else trailing well behind. If I were Notre Dame, I'd hang onto those for sure, but I'm sure there's a lot of moving pieces to consider in lining up their nonconference schedules in the future.

 

[Craig P.]

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I am very surprised that ND made any athletic move that put such constraints on football. This seems to me to further indicate diminution of football in the athletic department.

I think the increasing difficulty of scheduling decent teams after the beginning of October is also a significant factor in the move.

Can't imagine NBC is too happy, either.

Why? At worst, nothing changes; at best, they now have their foot in the door with the ACC, who are making noises about renegotiating their latest media deal with ESPN.

If I were ND I would start with Navy, USC, and Michigan as mandatory games. Add 5 ACC opponents and that leaves 4 more games. Still plenty of flexibility. I would certainly keep Michigan before Stanford for the national standing of the programs.

As for Purdue and Michigan State, other long term rivals (Army, Northwestern, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Air Force) have come and gone over the years.

I'd rather keep Purdue and/or Michigan State for historical reasons than Michigan.

 

[huskermavfanchuck]

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I've read a couple different places that every ACC team will play ND at least once every three years. The places I've read that I took it to mean that it was set in stone that would happen, so if that's the case, a BC series e very year likely isn't going to happen, unless it doesn't count as one of the five promised games. BC every year, plus 4 other teams every year only gets you to 13 after three years, and they'll have 14 when Pitt and 'cuse come in. If I had to guess, at a really modest glance at the whole situation, that almost begs for a 16th team to be added, and that would make a nice round three year ACC schedule for ND, and would also solve scheduling difficulties in other sports. If ND is intent on keeping BC, maybe that becomes a game scheduled outside the conference games, though that even further limits what ND would be able to do. Will definitely be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[Alton]

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Why? At worst, nothing changes...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure that is true. Right now, NBC networks get the rights to 7 games per season, all of them reasonably watchable.

With the new contract...
* 5 ACC games (2.5 games per year for NBC networks, 2.5 games for ABC/ESPN, presumably)
* 3 games against Navy, USC and Stanford (1.5 games/year for NBC networks, 1 for ABC/ESPN, 0.5 for CBS)
* Probably 2 games against MSU and Purdue or other non-Michigan Big Ten team (1 game per year for NBC networks, 1 for ABC/ESPN)
* Probably 1 game against high-profile team in SEC or B12, such as Texas (0.5 games/year for NBC, 0.5 for ABC/ESPN or CBS/ESPN)
* 1 more game, presumably a home game against a team that does not demand a return game (1 game for NBC networks)

So we likely have a total of 6.5 games/year for NBC networks, down from 7. Unless the ACC contract ensures 3 games for NBC and only 2 for ABC (I can't imagine that it does, but I guess you never know), NBC is losing at least 1 game every 2 years over the remainder of their contract with Notre Dame. Also, the requirement that 1 of the games every year be a team that does not demand a return game will cut down on the overall quality of the matchups for NBC--more of the Western Michigan type games.

 

[pirate]

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I think you've all said this but ND has to guard against things like conferences that currently have flexibility to play ND, like Big11 or Pac12 adding another school thus teams like USC and Stanford pick up one more conference game. While you would believe USC wouldn't drop the game the problem for ND is the aforementioned late season window when many of their traditional opponents are in conference scheduling. USC has been able to maintain 1 late date a year for ND, that isn't a given.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab-...reasure-football-schedule-in-move-to-acc.html

 

[Bob Gray]

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I think you've all said this but ND has to guard against things like conferences that currently have flexibility to play ND, like Big11 or Pac12 adding another school thus teams like USC and Stanford pick up one more conference game. While you would believe USC wouldn't drop the game the problem for ND is the aforementioned late season window when many of their traditional opponents are in conference scheduling. USC has been able to maintain 1 late date a year for ND, that isn't a given.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab-...reasure-football-schedule-in-move-to-acc.html

The Pac 12 already has nine conference games, compared to other conferences only having eight. I don't see the Pac 12 adding a tenth conference game anytime soon.

 

[joecct]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure that is true. Right now, NBC networks get the rights to 7 games per season, all of them reasonably watchable.

With the new contract...
* 5 ACC games (2.5 games per year for NBC networks, 2.5 games for ABC/ESPN, presumably)
* 3 games against Navy, USC and Stanford (1.5 games/year for NBC networks, 1 for ABC/ESPN, 0.5 for CBS)
* Probably 2 games against MSU and Purdue or other non-Michigan Big Ten team (1 game per year for NBC networks, 1 for ABC/ESPN)
* Probably 1 game against high-profile team in SEC or B12, such as Texas (0.5 games/year for NBC, 0.5 for ABC/ESPN or CBS/ESPN)
* 1 more game, presumably a home game against a team that does not demand a return game (1 game for NBC networks)

So we likely have a total of 6.5 games/year for NBC networks, down from 7. Unless the ACC contract ensures 3 games for NBC and only 2 for ABC (I can't imagine that it does, but I guess you never know), NBC is losing at least 1 game every 2 years over the remainder of their contract with Notre Dame. Also, the requirement that 1 of the games every year be a team that does not demand a return game will cut down on the overall quality of the matchups for NBC--more of the Western Michigan type games.

Wonder how many of the ACC "home" games will be off campus at a large(r) stadium that what's on campus? It's all about the money, right?