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2012 D1 BCS thread

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Craig P. said:
I'd rather keep Purdue and/or Michigan State for historical reasons than Michigan.
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Just curious what it is about Purdue and/or Michigan State that would make you want to keep them over Michigan? As an outsider I see Michigan as the prime rival, but I don't have detailed knowledge about Notre Dame's history with these Big Ten schools.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Just curious what it is about Purdue and/or Michigan State that would make you want to keep them over Michigan? As an outsider I see Michigan as the prime rival, but I don't have detailed knowledge about Notre Dame's history with these Big Ten schools.
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Both the Purdue and the Michigan State rivalry have more games played.

From what I could gather.

Michigan 39 Games
Michigan State 76
Purdue 84
 
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Bob Gray said:
When I think hallmark nonconference games for Notre Dame, I think of Michigan and USC, with everyone else trailing well behind. If I were Notre Dame, I'd hang onto those for sure, but I'm sure there's a lot of moving pieces to consider in lining up their nonconference schedules in the future.
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I agree completely.
 
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Bob Gray said:
The Pac 12 already has nine conference games, compared to other conferences only having eight. I don't see the Pac 12 adding a tenth conference game anytime soon.
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That said, he is right about the ND games screwing with the Pac12 scheduling. The Pac12 wants all non-conference games in the first 3 weeks of the season and the last 9 all conference games. But then Stanford and USC have their late ND games. So as a result Stanford and USC have to play each other within the first 3 weeks of the season, which is not exactly when the conference would like to have what has been one of the more exciting matchups in the last few years.
 
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Kepler said:
I agree completely.
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I don't. History should mean something. You don't see us clamoring to remove Northeastern and Harvard from the Beanpot, do you?
 
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French Rage said:
That said, he is right about the ND games screwing with the Pac12 scheduling. The Pac12 wants all non-conference games in the first 3 weeks of the season and the last 9 all conference games. But then Stanford and USC have their late ND games. So as a result Stanford and USC have to play each other within the first 3 weeks of the season, which is not exactly when the conference would like to have what has been one of the more exciting matchups in the last few years.
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But that's already the case for USC and Stanford. While maybe the conference would rather it not be the case, those games are being played later in the calendar, so I see no reason why a late season game against Notre Dame as a member of the ACC is any different than a current late season game against Notre Dame. Especially for USC, where the late season game against Notre Dame is a huge fixture in their schedule, I just don't see the Pac 12 suddenly forcing them to change things around to earlier in the season because Notre Dame changes conference affiliation.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
History should mean something.
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If "history" is defined narrowly as "total number of football games played against each other," then Purdue and Michigan State it is. I doubt there are many Notre Dame football fans (Kepler being an obvious exception) who would argue for defining "history" any other way in this particular case.

Either way, I am quite confident that Notre Dame and Michigan are going to drop each other when the current contract expires.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Both the Purdue and the Michigan State rivalry have more games played.

From what I could gather.

Michigan 39 Games
Michigan State 76
Purdue 84
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Ah. I guess in my lifetime I've been used to always seeing a Michigan-Notre Dame game, but it doesn't go back nearly as far as the others. So, I can see possible reasons to go either way. I'll leave it to Notre Dame fans to tell us which they'd prefer.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Both the Purdue and the Michigan State rivalry have more games played.

From what I could gather.

Michigan 39 Games
Michigan State 76
Purdue 84
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Exactly... Purdue being a close, in-state rival means a lot to ND actually... Purdue has been on the schedule each year going back to before World War II....
 
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RaceBoarder said:
Exactly... Purdue being a close, in-state rival means a lot to ND actually... Purdue has been on the schedule each year going back to before World War II....
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Actually its only been uninterrupted since 1946. Though they did first play in 1896. The rivalary with Navy is the longest uninterrupted rivalry in college football. It has been played every year since 1914. That series will likely never end unless one school drops football or they just cant make it happen due to some new rule or whatver. When the last officially renewed the series the Navy atheletic director stated:

...it is of great interest to our collective national audience of Fighting Irish fans, Naval Academy alumni, and the Navy family at large. The series is scheduled to continue indefinitely; renewals are a mere formality
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I thin most Irish fans agree. I certainlly want to see that one continue and not because most years its a sure win for the Irish but more because of what the tradition means for the two teams.
 
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Notre Dame owes Navy for keeping the facility open (training facility) during WW-II.
 
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Bob Gray said:
But that's already the case for USC and Stanford. While maybe the conference would rather it not be the case, those games are being played later in the calendar, so I see no reason why a late season game against Notre Dame as a member of the ACC is any different than a current late season game against Notre Dame. Especially for USC, where the late season game against Notre Dame is a huge fixture in their schedule, I just don't see the Pac 12 suddenly forcing them to change things around to earlier in the season because Notre Dame changes conference affiliation.
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's going to change anything, I'm more complaining about having Stanford/USC in week 3. (And don't get me started on the Big Game being in freaking October.)
 
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Penn State hosts Navy on Saturday. Freshman "run-on" DE Brent Smith spent 6 years in the Marines, including two tours in Iraq.

Senior fullback PJ Byers is an active duty member of the Navy's officer program and trained as a Navy Dive Specialist


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French Rage said:
Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's going to change anything, I'm more complaining about having Stanford/USC in week 3. (And don't get me started on the Big Game being in freaking October.)
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Yah, we've had a couple years recently where Arizona has moved a game later in the schedule, so the battle for the Territorial Cup with ASU isn't the final game of the schedule. Agreed that such games being pushed earlier in the schedule is not a good thing.
 
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Bob Gray said:
The Pac 12 already has nine conference games, compared to other conferences only having eight. I don't see the Pac 12 adding a tenth conference game anytime soon.
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Reading that, I did a bad job keeping the issues in the article straight...I think he talked about a Pac12-Big10 agreement that could have pushed ND out or the Big10 going to more teams pushing ND out...I mixed them up but the overall point remains: stuff outside of ND's control could have resulted in long-time opponents saying "look, we're sorry but our conference has a $50mm deal of its own and we can't keep fitting you in with these new developments".

It seems ND couldn't wait around for that to happen.

The ACC side of the deal doesn't hurt ND much at all in those other sports...bball is strong in both genders, getting out of UConn's conference in wbball is a plus, soccer is very strong in ACC, baseball just got a real boost, track etc. will be fine, lacrosse is very good in the ACC so ND might have just gotten a tougher road for that sport.

The women's bball teams in the ACC are probably the least happy, they just got a perennial powerhouse, sure to be a top seed in the conf tournament added to the mix.
 
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pirate said:
I think you've all said this but ND has to guard against things like conferences that currently have flexibility to play ND, like Big11 or Pac12 adding another school thus teams like USC and Stanford pick up one more conference game. While you would believe USC wouldn't drop the game the problem for ND is the aforementioned late season window when many of their traditional opponents are in conference scheduling. USC has been able to maintain 1 late date a year for ND, that isn't a given.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab-...reasure-football-schedule-in-move-to-acc.html
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Yeah, I could see why ND would want to make this this move.

Bob Gray said:
Just curious what it is about Purdue and/or Michigan State that would make you want to keep them over Michigan? As an outsider I see Michigan as the prime rival, but I don't have detailed knowledge about Notre Dame's history with these Big Ten schools.
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RaceBoarder said:
Exactly... Purdue being a close, in-state rival means a lot to ND actually... Purdue has been on the schedule each year going back to before World War II....
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That, and I could see that there could be some "indirect" political pressure to keep the Perdue-ND game going. ND might be a private school, but they still gotta play ball within the State of Indiana.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Just curious what it is about Purdue and/or Michigan State that would make you want to keep them over Michigan? As an outsider I see Michigan as the prime rival, but I don't have detailed knowledge about Notre Dame's history with these Big Ten schools.
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Michigan (in the person of Fielding Yost) tried to blackball ND in the teens and twenties, partly due to Yost's anti-Catholic sentiments and perhaps partly due to feeling threatened after IIRC ND beat the Wolverines in a head-to-head match-up. Purdue is one of the Big Ten teams that, at the time, did not respect the attempted boycott and continued to schedule ND, so that's the point in the Boilermakers' favor.

ND has a fairly long history of playing MSU, including the epic 1966 game, and I believe the debt there runs in the other direction, as ND's scheduling of the Spartans in the '50's helped them get into the Big 10.

From the ND side, USC is considered to be the prime rival for Irish. Michigan is considered to be "the enemy", largely for the reasons outlined above. (It should be noted, for the record, that despite my personal dislike of Michigan's athletic teams, I count several Michigan fans as my friends and have a great deal of respect for their level of play.)
 
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Was that the same year Minnesota literally killed the player from Iowa State on the field?
 
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