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2012 D1 BCS thread

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Craig P. said:
...partly due to Yost's anti-Catholic sentiments and perhaps partly due to feeling threatened after IIRC ND beat the Wolverines in a head-to-head match-up...
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Yost's anti-Catholic sentiments didn't keep him from scheduling Marquette or Detroit (or from recruiting Catholic players), and his hatred of losing didn't keep him from playing Pennsylvania over and over during the 1910s. Michigan stopped playing Notre Dame in 1910 due to an eligibility dispute over a couple of Notre Dame players--they were in their 7th season of playing college football.

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I would be surprised if his anti-Catholic sentiments were why he (and a majority of the conference) was opposed to Notre Dame's membership in the 1920s. We can't know his (or the rest of the conference's) motivation, but I think it would have been reasonable for him to conclude that Notre Dame's membership in the Big Ten at the time wasn't in Michigan's athletic interests.

The motivations for the ill feelings a Century ago are obviously irrelevant today, but I think it's clearly a good idea right now for Michigan to move on from playing this game every year, and I'm fairly certain that a majority of the fans of both teams feel the same way.
 
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Huh. Some interesting history. I'm generally not an Irish fan, but I have to say that I like the respect/value they seem to place on their longtime connections to various schools such as Navy and Purdue. I'm not sure that many other schools would still put such value on things that happened so long ago. So, kudos to the Irish today, even if I will still root against you on Saturdays.
 
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Alton said:
Yost's anti-Catholic sentiments didn't keep him from scheduling Marquette or Detroit (or from recruiting Catholic players), and his hatred of losing didn't keep him from playing Pennsylvania over and over during the 1910s. Michigan stopped playing Notre Dame in 1910 due to an eligibility dispute over a couple of Notre Dame players--they were in their 7th season of playing college football.
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When I referenced "feeling threatened," I wasn't thinking of it being just that they lost, but that Yost was angling for primacy in the midwest and wanted to avoid giving ND an opening to trump Michigan (a strategic play that would not apply to Penn). I'm aware of the eligibility questions, though I think eligibility was a much murkier issue in those days than it would be today.

I would be surprised if his anti-Catholic sentiments were why he (and a majority of the conference) was opposed to Notre Dame's membership in the 1920s. We can't know his (or the rest of the conference's) motivation, but I think it would have been reasonable for him to conclude that Notre Dame's membership in the Big Ten at the time wasn't in Michigan's athletic interests.
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As you say, we can't know. I doubt it was the sole reason; as I said, I do think there were athletic and strategic reasons for Michigan to oppose Notre Dame at the time.

The motivations for the ill feelings a Century ago are obviously irrelevant today, but I think it's clearly a good idea right now for Michigan to move on from playing this game every year, and I'm fairly certain that a majority of the fans of both teams feel the same way.
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The motivations may not be relevant, but the history matters. A lot of long-time ND fans still hold a grudge over it—it comes up with some regularity in ND circles.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I guess they're never coming to the Big 10 then.
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Nope, and speaking as a fan of the Big Ten, and I have no problem with that at all. Having ND as a full, equal member of the league would have been great; but ND didn't want that deal. The got the deal they wanted from the ACC; hats off to 'em. Evidently the ACC community is also pleased; so hats off to them too. Personally I would have been very disappointed if the BT had offered ND that package, but we didn't. So it's all good.

I'm not suggesting that you disagree with any of this; I just used your quote as a point of departure. To be honest, I had to go back a few pages to find any suitable point of departure. For me, the lack of conversation on the BT Conference angle is evidence that the right thing was done, and that no viable opportunity was lost -- for either ND or the BT.
 
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Starting to think that if not a TV ban, there should have been an ESPN ban on covering Penn State. They've now picked up PSU's next two games against Navy (?) and Temple (??) for national ABC/ESPN2 3:30 coverage.

On what planet are those games that should be somewhere other than the noon alternate BTN channel?
 
bronconick said:
Starting to think that if not a TV ban, there should have been an ESPN ban on covering Penn State. They've now picked up PSU's next two games against Navy (?) and Temple (??) for national ABC/ESPN2 3:30 coverage.

On what planet are those games that should be somewhere other than the noon alternate BTN channel?
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The planet where Penn State still has a large active alumni base... Some of you "salt the ground" types need to lay off. What happened at PSU was horrible and unconscionable but I don't see the whole need for collective guilt and collective punishment. These were the grand sins of a powerful few. Not the community at large.
 
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Patman said:
The planet where Penn State still has a large active alumni base... Some of you "salt the ground" types need to lay off. What happened at PSU was horrible and unconscionable but I don't see the whole need for collective guilt and collective punishment. These were the grand sins of a powerful few. Not the community at large.
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So, last year when Temple was actually good and undefeated entering the game, it was worth a ESPN kickoff, but this year, when they can't even beat Maryland and their 47 scholarship players, it's suddenly an ABC game.

Yeah, pull the other one if you don't think this is rubbernecking at a car crash at best. Maybe they're just going to keep them nationally televised until they actually win a game just to see if the students and townies will riot again.
 
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bronconick said:
So, last year when Temple was actually good and undefeated entering the game, it was worth a ESPN kickoff, but this year, when they can't even beat Maryland and their 47 scholarship players, it's suddenly an ABC game.

Yeah, pull the other one if you don't think this is rubbernecking at a car crash at best. Maybe they're just going to keep them nationally televised until they actually win a game just to see if the students and townies will riot again.
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The team that draws the most viewers isn't necessarily the team with the best record. See: NBC's Notre Dame contract.
 
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bronconick said:
Starting to think that if not a TV ban, there should have been an ESPN ban on covering Penn State. They've now picked up PSU's next two games against Navy (?) and Temple (??) for national ABC/ESPN2 3:30 coverage.
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To be fair...the problem is not that Penn State is getting unfair attention, the problem is the Big Ten's non-conference scheduling. ABC reasonably picked the Notre Dame at Michigan State and the California at Ohio State games for national broadcast tomorrow (the first at 8:00 and the second at noon EDT). Once that happened, they were required to pick a third Big Ten game for ABC/ESPN2 "reverse mirror" broadcast at 3:30. Their choices--

* Charleston Southern at Illinois
* Ball State at Indiana
* Northern Iowa at Iowa
* Massachusetts at Michigan
* Western Michigan at Minnesota
* Arkansas State at Nebraska
* Boston College at Northwestern
* Navy at Penn State
* Eastern Michigan at Purdue
* Utah State at Wisconsin

If you have to show one of those games, I think Navy at Penn State is a pretty obvious choice. The only game close would be the BC at Northwestern game, and that one would be full of channel-turning shots of a half-empty stadium.

For next week, the choices for 3:30 are--

* Louisiana Tech at Illinois
* Central Michigan at Iowa
* Eastern Michigan at Michigan State
* Syracuse at Minnesota
* Idaho State at Nebraska
* South Dakota at Northwestern
* Alabama-Birmingham at Ohio State
* Temple at Penn State
* Texas-El Paso at Wisconsin

Again, the Temple-Penn State game is pretty obviously the correct choice here for the network, as sad as that is.
 
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Excellent point, Alton. I think you're exactly correct for this week.

For next week, one could make a case for Syracuse/Minnesota; at least that matches two teams from BCS conferences. And yet, due to the recent on-field misfortunes of those clubs, it's unlikely that the ratings would be better than PSU/Temple. Had it been scheduled a week later, maybe NU/BC would have bumped the Temple game.

It is disappointing that "train wreck coverage" gets the 3:30 timeslot two weeks in a row. But when there's no good alternative...
 
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pgb-ohio said:
For next week, one could make a case for Syracuse/Minnesota; at least that matches two teams from BCS conferences.
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Syracuse and Temple belong to the same conference this season: the Big East.
 
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French Rage said:
The team that draws the most viewers isn't necessarily the team with the best record. See: NBC's Notre Dame contract.
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I don't think we even draw the most viewers anymore. I don't know anybody else under 50 who roots for Notre Dame who does not have a direct connection with the university.
 
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Kepler said:
I don't think we even draw the most viewers anymore. I don't know anybody else under 50 who roots for Notre Dame who does not have a direct connection with the university.
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They still have a stronghold of fans here in Chicago.... I know we're close to the school, but many of the Domers out this way have no direct connection...
 
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Alton said:
Syracuse and Temple belong to the same conference this season: the Big East.
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Yup. My point being that for those looking to avoid giving PSU the 3:30 PM game two weeks in a row, there is another Big Ten/Big East match-up to choose from next week.

As previously mentioned, Syracuse/Minnesota would be something other than a ratings bonanza. And yes, the Big East has lost most of its luster. But each team is putting a little bit on the line, taking on an opponent from another BCS conference. So at least technically, neither team is "playing down," in contrast to the large majority of non-conference games. Or did I miss the memo, and has the Big East officially lost its spot in the BCS?
 
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Sounds like TCU & LSU will open 2013 in Cowboy Stadium.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Sounds like TCU & LSU will open 2013 in Cowboy Stadium.
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So...three straight years of a SEC team curbstomping someone in JerryWorld?
 
Biddco said:
So does that mean it is their only trophy that isn't covered in a thick layer of dust? :)
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Floyd is dust-free! A couple Music City Bowl trophies too:/


Kepler said:
I don't think we even draw the most viewers anymore. I don't know anybody else under 50 who roots for Notre Dame who does not have a direct connection with the university.
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Notre Dame was my first favorite sports team of any kind when I was first old enough to really pay attention and they were quarterbacked by Tony Rice. They remain my 2nd favorite D1 team after the Gophers.
 
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