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2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
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Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
The refs were aleady tired of listening to Lenz yapping after the 1st period. His 'contact to the head' made it an easy call.
Milbury is looking for a job. He's been trying to attract attention with 'the old days of physical play' theme.
Unfortunately it wasnt much of a game from a spectator's standpoint from that penalty on.
By the way,why dont Americans sing their National anthem when its played?
The refs were aleady tired of listening to Lenz yapping after the 1st period. His 'contact to the head' made it an easy call.
Milbury is looking for a job. He's been trying to attract attention with 'the old days of physical play' theme.
Unfortunately it wasnt much of a game from a spectator's standpoint from that penalty on.
By the way,why dont Americans sing their National anthem when its played?
theprofromdover
The Original Dope Detector
You need to be a mature adult to use the all cap feature. Have some cheese with your whine.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Darn right I''m bitter about what happened last night.
Hello, earth to J.D., earth to J.D., why the heck would I mention those? They were legitimate penalties (I don't think anyone would argue with that) which didn't change the outcome of the game. As I said, the "cross-checking" penalty on Brooks Herrington was ticky tack, at best, and shouldn't have been called at all. And then the 5-minute boarding call, which I still maintain was a 2 min. penalty, at best, gives you guys a 5-3 pp at a critical point in the game. You telling me that's the same as calling two minors against Kreider earlier in the game?
I don't know, but I wish we could have found out fair and square. UVM was playing well and were right in that game until the refs decided to take things into their own hands.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Agreed. See post #454.
Carmine Scarpaglia
My bad.
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Still drunk this morning?
Still drunk this morning?
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Yup, never stopped drinking. Only way I can deal with what happened.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Oddly, the BFP doesn't have a recap of the game. Would like to hear what Sneddon thought of that call.
Oddly, the BFP doesn't have a recap of the game. Would like to hear what Sneddon thought of that call.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Cats could use a little luck this off-season, as follows:
--Need to have Stalberg return for his senior season. From Sneddon's comments in the BFP, it sounds like there's a pretty good chance he'll be back.
--Need to have Zemgus Girgensons suit up for some UVM hockey. This one, I think, is more questionable and, unfortunately, we really won't know anything for months, until after the NHL draft. Lets's hope he gets picked by a team that feels he'll develop by playing college hockey. If we get him for 2 seasons, I'll be happy.
H.T. Lenz is my new favorite player. Love that hit he laid on the BC player the other night, even if it did ultimately end up costing them the game (let's face it, they probably wouldn't have won anyway). You could just tell he was totally into the game and wasn't gonna be pushed around by BC. Also loved the way he didn't back down from the BC player who came over to taunt him while he was in the penalty box. I'll gladly take a team full of H.T. Lenz's. And the little dude's only a sophomore! Hope his swagger will rub off on some of the other guys.
Cats could use a little luck this off-season, as follows:
--Need to have Stalberg return for his senior season. From Sneddon's comments in the BFP, it sounds like there's a pretty good chance he'll be back.
--Need to have Zemgus Girgensons suit up for some UVM hockey. This one, I think, is more questionable and, unfortunately, we really won't know anything for months, until after the NHL draft. Lets's hope he gets picked by a team that feels he'll develop by playing college hockey. If we get him for 2 seasons, I'll be happy.
H.T. Lenz is my new favorite player. Love that hit he laid on the BC player the other night, even if it did ultimately end up costing them the game (let's face it, they probably wouldn't have won anyway). You could just tell he was totally into the game and wasn't gonna be pushed around by BC. Also loved the way he didn't back down from the BC player who came over to taunt him while he was in the penalty box. I'll gladly take a team full of H.T. Lenz's. And the little dude's only a sophomore! Hope his swagger will rub off on some of the other guys.
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Would someone please tell me where Brickley was on Friday night?
They need to have their best available players (meaning those not out for the season with injuries) on the ice to have any hope of winning one of these last few games. Not that it matters much if they win I suppose.
Anyone heard if Marshall is going to redshirt? I understand that McCarthy will, which is a good thing. Two more years of his offensive creativity will be a BIG boost.
Shame that Luukko and Paliotta are missing so much potential development this year. They are going to be 2nd year frosh D next year due to their injuries.....
Would someone please tell me where Brickley was on Friday night?
They need to have their best available players (meaning those not out for the season with injuries) on the ice to have any hope of winning one of these last few games. Not that it matters much if they win I suppose.
Anyone heard if Marshall is going to redshirt? I understand that McCarthy will, which is a good thing. Two more years of his offensive creativity will be a BIG boost.
Shame that Luukko and Paliotta are missing so much potential development this year. They are going to be 2nd year frosh D next year due to their injuries.....
Martin St. Louis Fan
Section 21 at the GUT !
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Brickley has had a setback in his injury recovery. No idea when he will return.
Have not heard a word about Marshall, kind of doubt he will redshirt.
Brickley has had a setback in his injury recovery. No idea when he will return.
Have not heard a word about Marshall, kind of doubt he will redshirt.
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
I have to agree with vstar and JD on this one. Regardless of the debate of a 5 or 2 minute penalty, the timing (on the PK) was the big issue for me. Mr. Lenz continues to demonstrate his lack of discipline and sense of game timing. I appreciate his competitiveness and drive but this is the 3-4th time he has taken a irresponsible, selfish, and ill timed penalty that has knocked the team off track during a game. I can understand doing it once but not 3-4 times (remember head butt vs Maine, slash vs Providence) There is a time and place when you show that energy to get your team going when they are not playing well. At that point in the game, Vermont was playing very well and the game looked like it was gonna be a tight grind it out game. If Sneddon alows that conduct to continue from a captain, then he should expect more of the same.
I have to agree with vstar and JD on this one. Regardless of the debate of a 5 or 2 minute penalty, the timing (on the PK) was the big issue for me. Mr. Lenz continues to demonstrate his lack of discipline and sense of game timing. I appreciate his competitiveness and drive but this is the 3-4th time he has taken a irresponsible, selfish, and ill timed penalty that has knocked the team off track during a game. I can understand doing it once but not 3-4 times (remember head butt vs Maine, slash vs Providence) There is a time and place when you show that energy to get your team going when they are not playing well. At that point in the game, Vermont was playing very well and the game looked like it was gonna be a tight grind it out game. If Sneddon alows that conduct to continue from a captain, then he should expect more of the same.
Martin St. Louis Fan
Section 21 at the GUT !
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
I love Lenz's intensity, something that the team has lacked from time to time this year. HT reminds of Patrick Cuility. He was a bad *** but quickly got a bad rep from the refs that hurt him his senior year. If you remember he spent most of it in the penalty box. Hopefully HT will learn from experience that he is more valuable on the ice, then the penalty box. Controlled fire and drive is a huge asset for a captain. Can't help but admire a guy like Peter Lenes who was a real bench leader!
I love Lenz's intensity, something that the team has lacked from time to time this year. HT reminds of Patrick Cuility. He was a bad *** but quickly got a bad rep from the refs that hurt him his senior year. If you remember he spent most of it in the penalty box. Hopefully HT will learn from experience that he is more valuable on the ice, then the penalty box. Controlled fire and drive is a huge asset for a captain. Can't help but admire a guy like Peter Lenes who was a real bench leader!
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UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
I still think it could easily have been a no-call and, at best, warranted only a 2-minute penalty. But, alas, after three days I think I've finally settled down and all is good.
I'll also have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Lenz. I would much rather have a player with some fire in his belly and have to work to reign him in, than have a listless player and have to work to get him to play with some passion. UVM already has enough players who fit into the latter category.
I'll have to disagree with you agreeing with JD.
I still think it could easily have been a no-call and, at best, warranted only a 2-minute penalty. But, alas, after three days I think I've finally settled down and all is good.I'll also have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Lenz. I would much rather have a player with some fire in his belly and have to work to reign him in, than have a listless player and have to work to get him to play with some passion. UVM already has enough players who fit into the latter category.
Martin St. Louis Fan
Section 21 at the GUT !
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
If you listen to Kevin during his weekly show, this is not happening at all, but I think with the way the season has gone, it is pretty much expected from time to time.
If you listen to Kevin during his weekly show, this is not happening at all, but I think with the way the season has gone, it is pretty much expected from time to time.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Well, if he didn't charge Almeida, leave his feet, and then launch his elbow into Almeida's temple, yea, it could have been no call...
Given your lack of knowledge of the rules and/or bad eyesight, are you a former or current HE referee? Maybe you applied to be one and failed the drug test?
I'll have to disagree with you agreeing with JD.
Well, if he didn't charge Almeida, leave his feet, and then launch his elbow into Almeida's temple, yea, it could have been no call...
Given your lack of knowledge of the rules and/or bad eyesight, are you a former or current HE referee? Maybe you applied to be one and failed the drug test?
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
You (and Kevin) are probably right. "Listless" might have been a bit harsh. You know, as long as I'm revising my own views, I think I'll take back something else I said about the team last week, which is that I don't see them being much of a factor next season. I do think the guys are working hard, the young players are getting a ton of valuable experience, and despite everything that's happened this season, they've still been in most every game. With the new guys coming in next season, they could easily be a team that contends for home ice. I'm especially excited about Hoffman. For some reason (I don't know--it's not like I have inside information), I think he's really going to be a stud in goal.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Did it really go down like that? I didn't think he charged Almeida at all. As best I can recollect, Lenz was skating hard down the near side of the ice, he then circled through the center of the ice and as he got closer to the far boards, there was Almeida right in front of him. When he saw him there he laid the big hit on him. It didn't seem like he had Almeida lined up and made a conscious decision to go at him at all--it was more of a "bang, bang" kind of play.
Do you know of a reply anywhere on the web? I always get a kick out of your posts Nick. You're about the only BC fan who could make me reconsider my thoughts on the play.
All right, I must confess, I haven't seen a slo-mo replay that I actually remember. When the replays were being shown, I was busy retrieving my remote from the living room sheet-rock.
Did it really go down like that? I didn't think he charged Almeida at all. As best I can recollect, Lenz was skating hard down the near side of the ice, he then circled through the center of the ice and as he got closer to the far boards, there was Almeida right in front of him. When he saw him there he laid the big hit on him. It didn't seem like he had Almeida lined up and made a conscious decision to go at him at all--it was more of a "bang, bang" kind of play.Do you know of a reply anywhere on the web? I always get a kick out of your posts Nick. You're about the only BC fan who could make me reconsider my thoughts on the play.
theprofromdover
The Original Dope Detector
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
All right, I must confess, I haven't seen a slo-mo replay that I actually remember. When the replays were being shown, I was busy retrieving my remote from the living room sheet-rock.
Do you know of a reply anywhere on the web? I always get a kick out of your posts Nick. You're about the only BC fan who could make me reconsider my thoughts on the play.
Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
Re: 2011-12 Vermont Season Thread (Vezina & Conn Smyth trophy edition)
Is there a youtube link to the play anywhere? He did leave his feet (about 1 inch off the ice) but I disagree that there was an elbow to the head or intent to injure. The BC player was trying to avoid the hit and it was more the shoulder that in inadvertently hit his helmet. As far as the 3 full strides prior to the hit again would have to question that aspect of the charging call as he did come around the net with speed but had to glide to change directions towards the boards in the attempt to make the hit. You could call a lot of charging calls if you used that part of the rule to make the call every time. It is one of the most subjective calls in hockey (at least that aspect, not the leaving the feet part). So yes 2 minute penalty for leaving his feet.
As for the Whitney penalty, same. Should have been two minutes.
Well, if he didn't charge Almeida, leave his feet, and then launch his elbow into Almeida's temple, yea, it could have been no call...
Given your lack of knowledge of the rules and/or bad eyesight, are you a former or current HE referee? Maybe you applied to be one and failed the drug test?
Is there a youtube link to the play anywhere? He did leave his feet (about 1 inch off the ice) but I disagree that there was an elbow to the head or intent to injure. The BC player was trying to avoid the hit and it was more the shoulder that in inadvertently hit his helmet. As far as the 3 full strides prior to the hit again would have to question that aspect of the charging call as he did come around the net with speed but had to glide to change directions towards the boards in the attempt to make the hit. You could call a lot of charging calls if you used that part of the rule to make the call every time. It is one of the most subjective calls in hockey (at least that aspect, not the leaving the feet part). So yes 2 minute penalty for leaving his feet.
As for the Whitney penalty, same. Should have been two minutes.