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2010 Division III Commitments

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altazo said:
There are a lot of kids from the BCHL playing NCAA D3. Amazingly, they are not all the leading scorers on their teams. I know, it's crazy...
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You are taking my comment the wrong way. I meant that, out of all the players who will be freshman in DIII next year from the BCHL (and yes there will be a lot of them), Hertz will -almost certainly - have been the most productive during his time in that league. Given the quality of the BCHL, this is a very good sign that he has the potential to be one of the best freshman in the country next year. Just like a kid like Janke (leading scorer in the SJHL last year, and soon to be freshman at Norwich) should come in with high expectations as well. I didn't think that my comments were much of stretch.
 
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altazo said:
There are a lot of kids from the BCHL playing NCAA D3. Amazingly, they are not all the leading scorers on their teams. I know, it's crazy...
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But there aren't a lot of kids from the BCHL playing NCAA D3 who averaged well over a point per game in the BCHL.

I know, it's crazy....
 
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Why is there not a lot of BCHL players who have a point a game in DIII? What is the other side of the story?
 
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Spartanspear said:
Why is there not a lot of BCHL players who have a point a game in DIII? What is the other side of the story?
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I would think the other side of the story is well explained on the BCHL college commitments page.

In my experience so far, the BCHL and SJHL have been among the best at listing all of their DIII commitments. And yet on that page, of 109 commitments, there 13 DIII Schools, 12 Canadian Colleges (which are usually cheaper and more convenient than DIII for Canadians, and sometimes even for Americans), and 84 DI schools... and if you look at 2010/2011, you'll see that 26 of the 84 DIs are commitments who will remain in the BCHL for a year or two before going to DI! (that leaves 56 of this year's graduates going to DI this year)

So the "other side of the story" is that the BCHL is primarily a DI-feeding league, and DIII and Canadian schools split the pool of players that, for one reason or another, are either not recruited by DI schools or opt out of DI. And let's not forget that at least a few of the league's players will jump to Major-Junior... and 4 of the DI commitments were drafted by the NHL straight out of the BCHL, including Pittsburgh's first-rounder Beau Bennett (Committed to Denver).
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I would think the other side of the story is well explained on the BCHL college commitments page.

In my experience so far, the BCHL and SJHL have been among the best at listing all of their DIII commitments. And yet on that page, of 109 commitments, there 13 DIII Schools, 12 Canadian Colleges (which are usually cheaper and more convenient than DIII for Canadians, and sometimes even for Americans), and 84 DI schools... and if you look at 2010/2011, you'll see that 26 of the 84 DIs are commitments who will remain in the BCHL for a year or two before going to DI! (that leaves 56 of this year's graduates going to DI this year)

So the "other side of the story" is that the BCHL is primarily a DI-feeding league, and DIII and Canadian schools split the pool of players that, for one reason or another, are either not recruited by DI schools or opt out of DI. And let's not forget that at least a few of the league's players will jump to Major-Junior... and 4 of the DI commitments were drafted by the NHL straight out of the BCHL, including Pittsburgh's first-rounder Beau Bennett (Committed to Denver).
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Every once in a while a real gem lands in DIII - Example - Cleaver, Rick
 
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NUProf said:
Every once in a while a real gem lands in DIII - Example - Cleaver, Rick
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Cleaver had a better year than Carragher: yea right:rolleyes: Oh wait, that's not what we are talking about :) Evey time I see Cleaver's name I think of the great injustice done in the 06-07 season...It's a shame...
 
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NUProf said:
Every once in a while a real gem lands in DIII - Example - Cleaver, Rick
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True. Some players are late bloomers, and really develop their skills in DIII. Some players get missed by DI schools for other reasons (Too short, à la Keith Aucoin), and some turn down DI for non-hockey reasons (or for hockey reasons, such as wanting to win a championship).

But all those groups of players together are still the minority. For most, it's DI if recruited, DIII if not... and many may not even be recruited to DIII, and may or may not choose ACHA. (Yes, some Canadian Junior Players go on to play ACHA)
 
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joeyc3402 said:
But there aren't a lot of kids from the BCHL playing NCAA D3 who averaged well over a point per game in the BCHL.

I know, it's crazy....
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A lot of good players from the BCHL decide to play NCAA D3 hockey, but none of them choose to do it at M.S.O.E.

I know, they're not crazy... ;)
 
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collegehcky2 said:
Just googling him shows that he played Junior C last year, I doubt he's playing varsity.
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Actually, he played Junior C a couple years ago. This year, he competed in the North American Prospects Hockey League... a Tier I AAA Youth hockey league.

However, I have been assured by reliable sources that he is a varsity recruit. Whether he makes the team once on campus is a different story, but he is enrolling in the school as a result of recruitment by the Varsity program.
 
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So the "other side of the story" is that the BCHL is primarily a DI-feeding league, and DIII and Canadian schools split the pool of players that, for one reason or another, are either not recruited by DI schools or opt out of DI. And let's not forget that at least a few of the league's players will jump to Major-Junior... and 4 of the DI commitments were drafted by the NHL straight out of the BCHL, including Pittsburgh's first-rounder Beau Bennett (Committed to Denver).[/QUOTE]

You made my point - Its a DI league with a point per game player who I am sure is not a "late bloomer". I am sure the scouts had no problem seeing his name on the score sheet so " whats the other side of the story".
 
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altazo said:
A lot of good players from the BCHL decide to play NCAA D3 hockey, but none of them choose to do it at M.S.O.E.

I know, they're not crazy... ;)
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Heh. Touche....

I'm not saying the kid's going to be a stud (or that he'll lead Utica in scoring), but if you've got very good numbers in a league like the BCHL, the odds are better than average of putting up good numbers at the D-III level, no?

At least that's all we can infer from the info most of us have seen.
 
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Spartanspear said:
So the "other side of the story" is that the BCHL is primarily a DI-feeding league, and DIII and Canadian schools split the pool of players that, for one reason or another, are either not recruited by DI schools or opt out of DI. And let's not forget that at least a few of the league's players will jump to Major-Junior... and 4 of the DI commitments were drafted by the NHL straight out of the BCHL, including Pittsburgh's first-rounder Beau Bennett (Committed to Denver).
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You made my point - Its a DI league with a point per game player who I am sure is not a "late bloomer". I am sure the scouts had no problem seeing his name on the score sheet so " whats the other side of the story".[/QUOTE]

Well, as I said before, maybe there's a non-hockey reason he picked Utica. Maybe he has family in the area? Maybe he knows UC's other recruit from BC and they decided to go together? (That's a stretch, they live 9 hours apart in BC). Maybe the academic situation at Utica was more appealing to him? There's a myriad of possible reasons he chose DIII over DI. Just because he's going to UC doesn't mean he wasn't recruited by DI coaches.

Or, maybe he wasn't recruited by DI. Maybe he has a life-threatening illness and DI teams didn't want to risk a scholly on a player who won't give them 4 years. There's tons of reasons why he might not have been recruited by DI schools.

Bottom line is... we will never know. :cool:
 
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Could be a Clearinghouse issue, too, that keeps him out of D-1. It's hard to say without pure speculation. And no, I have no knowledge of his situation whatsoever.
 
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Hammer said:
Could be a Clearinghouse issue, too, that keeps him out of D-1. It's hard to say without pure speculation. And no, I have no knowledge of his situation whatsoever.
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Very plausible explanation. If that (was) is the problem, lets hope he hits the books to stay around. It would be nice to see for UC.
 
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Pretty soon we will know if all these guys are really going where they claimed, and who the secret recruits are (like NU's two goalies).
 
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