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2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
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JF_Gophers
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Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
Actually defense is what I was talking about as my first and foremost reason for not wanting Young in the field/lineup.
I agree you don't necessarily give up on players, but you also don't have to start him in your major league lineup every night. That's what the minor leagues are for.
Heck they just had this exact story about Span not being ready when Torii left and needing 2 more years (till now) to actually ascend to the CF starting spot. They wouldn't of went out and got Gomez as part of the Santana trade if he had been ready.
Actually defense is what I was talking about as my first and foremost reason for not wanting Young in the field/lineup.
I agree you don't necessarily give up on players, but you also don't have to start him in your major league lineup every night. That's what the minor leagues are for.
Heck they just had this exact story about Span not being ready when Torii left and needing 2 more years (till now) to actually ascend to the CF starting spot. They wouldn't of went out and got Gomez as part of the Santana trade if he had been ready.
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
I'm going to miss Gomez. This team better hit a lot of long ball this year cause they don't have what it takes to play small ball anymore. And defensively they're not going to be as good either having to play either Kubel or Young in the outfield every night. I guess they decided they couldn't win being the piranhas so they built the typical American League long ball team.
I hope they can pitch. Cause if not they're going to have to win a lot of 8-6 type ballgames, IMO.
I'm going to miss Gomez. This team better hit a lot of long ball this year cause they don't have what it takes to play small ball anymore. And defensively they're not going to be as good either having to play either Kubel or Young in the outfield every night. I guess they decided they couldn't win being the piranhas so they built the typical American League long ball team.
I hope they can pitch. Cause if not they're going to have to win a lot of 8-6 type ballgames, IMO.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
I think the pirana-style Twins may have died with the end of the dome. I'm actually encouraged that they're going in a slightly different direction when they aren't going to have the advantage of playing there anymore.
Handyman
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Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
What did Small Ball ever get the Twins? Sorry but winning one first round series in 5 playoff appearances pretty much shows how much doing things "The Right Way...the Twins Way" is pretty worthless.
To win you need to mix it up...if all you can do is go station to station then you are nothing better than a Mid-Major.
What did Small Ball ever get the Twins? Sorry but winning one first round series in 5 playoff appearances pretty much shows how much doing things "The Right Way...the Twins Way" is pretty worthless.
To win you need to mix it up...if all you can do is go station to station then you are nothing better than a Mid-Major.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
At least small ball Twins were fun to watch. Long ball Twins might not be as fun? I guess that's what my thought was, I'm sorry to see it go.
Got them division titles which is all they're probably going to get anyway. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see them having the dough or the pitching after Mauer signs. And if Thome is the big bat signing and hits left like the rest of him, what value add is he really?
At least small ball Twins were fun to watch. Long ball Twins might not be as fun? I guess that's what my thought was, I'm sorry to see it go.
The Paragon of Virtue
Captain Ressentiment
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
Winning is fun. I don't care how they do it.
Winning is fun. I don't care how they do it.
Handyman
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Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
"Winning only matters if you win it all!"
-90% of all Minnesota sports fans
Winning is fun. I don't care how they do it.
"Winning only matters if you win it all!"
-90% of all Minnesota sports fans
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
The difference is that the Twins knew they were terrible in '99 and '00 and chose to see if Torii would develop. The Twins aren't in that same position any more in today's Central.
I don't hate Delmon, I hate the Twins for trading for him and playing him so much. But I love the Twins. It's tough.
Delmon will have six years in the bigs after 2012. Then he will begin to play decent ball -- for someone else. We will be left holding the bag on 1500-2000 mostly useless ABs and hopefully a season or two of decent ABs. We could have at least pulled the Liriano move on him one of the last two seasons and slowed down his clock towards free agency.
I actually think he will improve this year due to getting limited playing time and facing a lot of lefties. 250-350 ABs will be fine for him. If he can slug like he did the last half of '09 (or if Kubel or Cuddy suck) he may get a bunch more playing time.
I just hate it when people deny how terrible he has been on aggregate to date. When comparing his entire 2009 to other AL leftfielders, he was worse than Punto compared to other AL second baseman.
The difference is that the Twins knew they were terrible in '99 and '00 and chose to see if Torii would develop. The Twins aren't in that same position any more in today's Central.
I don't hate Delmon, I hate the Twins for trading for him and playing him so much. But I love the Twins. It's tough.
Delmon will have six years in the bigs after 2012. Then he will begin to play decent ball -- for someone else. We will be left holding the bag on 1500-2000 mostly useless ABs and hopefully a season or two of decent ABs. We could have at least pulled the Liriano move on him one of the last two seasons and slowed down his clock towards free agency.
I actually think he will improve this year due to getting limited playing time and facing a lot of lefties. 250-350 ABs will be fine for him. If he can slug like he did the last half of '09 (or if Kubel or Cuddy suck) he may get a bunch more playing time.
I just hate it when people deny how terrible he has been on aggregate to date. When comparing his entire 2009 to other AL leftfielders, he was worse than Punto compared to other AL second baseman.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Scooby, the Twins were 4th in RPG last season - do you really expect their production to drop because they got rid of Gomez while adding Hardy, Hudson and Thome? While NY was clearly the better team last season, the Twins should have won a least one against them and the Twins have made as many strides as any AL playoff team out there to get better.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
I think last season was the first season in a long time they weren't centered around small ball. They stunk at it for the most part, and won the Central regardless. Made me laugh.
I think last season was the first season in a long time they weren't centered around small ball. They stunk at it for the most part, and won the Central regardless. Made me laugh.
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
The Twins lead three games late in the game last season at Yankee Stadium in May...and we also lead at some point in two of the three playoff games. The Yankees are not "clearly" the better team. They just knew how to finish.
The Twins lead three games late in the game last season at Yankee Stadium in May...and we also lead at some point in two of the three playoff games. The Yankees are not "clearly" the better team. They just knew how to finish.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
I agree to a point and I believe that they appear to have closed the gap for this season, but when you go 0-9 (or something like that) against a team for me it's hard to argue there wasn't some clear separation (physically, mentally, managerially) even if many of the games were close.
Biddco
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Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
0-10? Swept in four, three and three. I can't of how many of those 9 games were come back wins for the Yankees. I know they had 3 walk offs in that four game series at Yankee Stadium
0-10? Swept in four, three and three. I can't of how many of those 9 games were come back wins for the Yankees. I know they had 3 walk offs in that four game series at Yankee Stadium
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
Eh. The Twins hadn't signed their typical over-the-hill player that they'll just end up cutting before June yet.
Eh. The Twins hadn't signed their typical over-the-hill player that they'll just end up cutting before June yet.
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
NYY 103-59 915 runs scored, 753 allowed
Twins 87-76 817 runs scored, 765 allowed
The yankees won every game they played against the twins last year. I'd say it's quite obvious they were the better team. Does that mean they're going to win every game 17-0? Of course not. But it does mean they're going to win the majority of the time the two play each other. Which they did.
Unless you have a different definition of "better team"
No offense, but:
NYY 103-59 915 runs scored, 753 allowed
Twins 87-76 817 runs scored, 765 allowed
The yankees won every game they played against the twins last year. I'd say it's quite obvious they were the better team. Does that mean they're going to win every game 17-0? Of course not. But it does mean they're going to win the majority of the time the two play each other. Which they did.
Unless you have a different definition of "better team"
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Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
Head to head we stuck with them...they just knew how to finish.
Head to head we stuck with them...they just knew how to finish.
JF_Gophers
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Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
Did anyone else sign up for the opening series lottery to buy tickets? Drawing is apparently on the 16th.
*Crosses fingers*
Did anyone else sign up for the opening series lottery to buy tickets? Drawing is apparently on the 16th.
*Crosses fingers*
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2009 MN Twins Part 4: I Was Told There Would Be No Math
I'm with Dude Love on this one. THere were more than just a few games against them where we had a lead and blew it. Sure, we might lose a game or two by 10+ runs to the yankees but seeing the lineup they are putting together there isn't a team in baseball that isn't susceptible to do that.
I'm with Dude Love on this one. THere were more than just a few games against them where we had a lead and blew it. Sure, we might lose a game or two by 10+ runs to the yankees but seeing the lineup they are putting together there isn't a team in baseball that isn't susceptible to do that.