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2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

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It's difficult to say exactly what's up with Ozzie. To be fair to him, Howard has been the hot hand lately and Babcock likes to ride those streaks (rightfully so). When he does get a start, he's prone to giving up softies, perhaps because he hasn't gotten a lot of playing time in the last two months and needs a period or two to get it back together. So what do you do? *shrugs*

I agree that even if the Wings make the playoffs, they are not a Cup contender this year, barring some quick line chemistry in March and a surprise run. As for trading Ozzie, I don't know. I think that with the talent in our minor league system we're about due for a youth movement in goal (as Howard is proving), but there are plenty of teams who could also use him as insurance and as a veteran presence to mentor their younger goalies. It's a tough call.

But don't you think that, if Ozzie was still the reliable goaltender he was a few years back, Babcock wouldn't be doing what he's doing with Howard? Hot hand or not, it's always wise to use two goaltenders, even if it is once every 5 or 6 games.

Ozzie doesn't give up the occasional softie. He gives up a TON of them the past two years. Last year, he and Turco were neck and neck for the worst #1 goaltender in the NHL and then the playoffs come around and suddenly he plays very well. ***? That's a risky streak to have because it's a hell of a lot easier for a coach to turn to a goaltender who has been consistent all season long and say "You're our man all the way" than it is to hand it to a streaky goaltender who just started coming around in the last month of the season. How do we know he'll sustain it? If he does, for how long? I dunno. Detroit has two Osgoods: One is the dominant force that has gotten his name on the Cup all those times (along with quality goaltending even in the years he didn't win the Cup) and the other is the product we've seen him produce the last 2 years.

It is ridiculous how injured the Wings are, but let's face it. It takes an entire team, including its depth, to win it all.

Osgood is a veteran presence, sure, and I suppose he's not going to hurt anyone being a highly paid backup but...

Also, Ken Holland has 4 Stanley Cup rings as a GM, and has had a look at 2 more since he's been the organization. The man knows what he's doing, and has his reasons for such moves.

I'll concede to that but I don't think Osgood is like Patrick Roy. He's not going to be great up to the day he retires. Every goaltender, most of the great ones even, faded in their final years. Grant Fuhr, Richter, CuJo, Potvin (Ok, Cujo and Potvin might not fit with the others but...), Belfour, Barrasso, even Hasek.

To me, it's too bad. Osgood is on his decline and the question Holland has to ask is if he is worth keeping around or, if there is any value left in Osgood, should he get what he could.

Of course, Holland knows what he's doing so I'm sure he'll do what's right.
 
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I'll concede to that but I don't think Osgood is like Patrick Roy. He's not going to be great up to the day he retires. Every goaltender, most of the great ones even, faded in their final years. Grant Fuhr, Richter, CuJo, Potvin (Ok, Cujo and Potvin might not fit with the others but...), Belfour, Barrasso, even Hasek.

That's true - and personally I think even Roy was starting to lose it when he retired, he just made the decision sooner, rather than stick around for another 3-4 seasons and fade into a shadow of his former self (something his ego would never allow).


Mike Ribeiro had to get a tracheotomy after receiving a high stick in the throat against the Rangers last night.

I know that's an awful injury but I'm finding it very difficult to feel bad for him.

I just remembered - Reason #20938843.5 why it's difficult to feel bad for Mickey Ribs:

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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

Wild force OT after being down 5-1 in the 3rd!
 
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

Speaking as a semi-outsider, I don't think you can rate Detroit as a cup contender or not based on the regular season, with the # of injuries. As a Sharks fan, I want nothing to do with a healthy Detroit team in the #7 slot come April. They'd immediately be one of 3, maybe 4 teams in the West with a legit shot of coming out. Anaheim was what, 5 minutes and a goal from the conference finals last year in a similar situation.

Take, for example, this game. :o
 
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

CuJo is expected to make his retirement official tomorrow.

'Bout time.

Hall of Fame numbers?

Fourth on the all-time wins list with 445.
Three-time nominee for the Vezina Trophy, finishing second in the voting in 1999 and 2000.
Seven seasons of at least 30 victories.
2.45 goals-against average in 123 career playoff games.

I'd say yes.
 
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Hall of Fame numbers?

Fourth on the all-time wins list with 445.
Three-time nominee for the Vezina Trophy, finishing second in the voting in 1999 and 2000.
Seven seasons of at least 30 victories.
2.45 goals-against average in 123 career playoff games.

I'd say yes.

Me too.
 
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

Dear Montreal Canadiens,

Thank you for trading us Bill Latendresse.

Sincerely,
Minnesota Wild
 
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

Hall of Fame numbers?

Fourth on the all-time wins list with 445.
Three-time nominee for the Vezina Trophy, finishing second in the voting in 1999 and 2000.
Seven seasons of at least 30 victories.
2.45 goals-against average in 123 career playoff games.

I'd say yes.

Just about the only things missing are an actual Vezina win (tough to earn when your prime years are spent competing against Hasek, Brodeur, and a few one-win wonders) and a Stanley Cup ring. I believe he's still the winningest goalie without one of those.
 
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My lord the Penguins suck on the PP.

Gonchar can suck it!
 
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Slugfest in Calgary tonight.

Three fights in the first four minutes of the Avs-Flames war! :eek:
 
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

Just about the only things missing are an actual Vezina win (tough to earn when your prime years are spent competing against Hasek, Brodeur, and a few one-win wonders) and a Stanley Cup ring. I believe he's still the winningest goalie without one of those.

Really nice guy, too. Saw him post-game when the Stars were still here (early 90's, so I wasn't just some wide-eyed kid) and got his autograph. He stuck around answering all the questions asked by the dozen or so people around him, really pleasant.
 
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

It is refreshing to see a trade involving a professional Minnesota sports franchise working out so well.

Bill with his first career four-point game. (1G-3A)
 
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!

Hang on to your hats today kids, Alex Burrows of the Canucks accused referee Stephane Auger of having a vendetta against him and he vowed to "get him back" for making him look bad in a game earlier this season.

Helping out Burrows' cause: Auger was caught on camera in warmups talking tersely with Burrows and Burrows was hit for three penalties in the third period. :eek:
 
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