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CLS said:
Fair argument CAH, and until this year I'd agree with you. But that 11-win season was against a pathetic schedule -- a perfect storm of a weak AFC division and NFC division on their schedule (sorry, don't remember specifics). The whole AFC East, crapshow that it is, had a good year; the 11 wins wasn't even good enough for the Pats to make the playoffs that year. While we'll never know for sure, I think that the Pats would have won 14 or 15 that year with Brady.

Also, it's fair to say that the first few wins were as much the defense as the offense.

But it's also fair to argue that the Pats should have won this years SB with better coaching.
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I'll fill you in on specifics on 2008. Miami won the division because they rolled out the Wildcat Offense and caught a lot of teams off guard. The Jets one season with Brett Favre started very strong until Favre got hurt and tried to tough it out unsuccessfully. Yes, they did feast on a poor NFC West that year. The Patriots lost to all the AFC Division winners from the previous year (Indy, SD, Pitt) along with Miami and the Jets.
 
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
I have rarely followed the NBA for quite some time now (as far as I care, the best TEAM basketball and championships were won by the Knicks), but I always saw Pippen as the quintessential support player. I never saw him as able to be the leading star on a team. Nothing wrong with that. He played his role extremely well, was the key final piece to the Bulls' dynasty, and got paid handsomely for it. Now, if only we can get North Korea to keep him...
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Pippen would have been a #1 star on some other teams, quite easily. That being said, he absolutely played the 2nd banana player to a T. Add in the other players on those Bulls squads that set aside any ego and filled a specific role, in order to win titles, and there you have it. Phil Jackson was a great coach not necessarily because of his system, it was getting guys to toss the egos and do their jobs. It's the main reason he couldn't do more with Shaq and Kobe and Company. They wouldn't set aside their egos.

Prime example: Dennis Rodman. Job? Rebound. That's it. Don't try and do anything but rebound. And he did it, despite being one of the biggest egos in sports at the time.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Pippen would have been a #1 star on some other teams, quite easily. That being said, he absolutely played the 2nd banana player to a T. Add in the other players on those Bulls squads that set aside any ego and filled a specific role, in order to win titles, and there you have it. Phil Jackson was a great coach not necessarily because of his system, it was getting guys to toss the egos and do their jobs. It's the main reason he couldn't do more with Shaq and Kobe and Company. They wouldn't set aside their egos.

Prime example: Dennis Rodman. Job? Rebound. That's it. Don't try and do anything but rebound. And he did it, despite being one of the biggest egos in sports at the time.
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I can agree with all that.

And I meant Rodman when I said NK can keep him. D'uh!
 
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23. Minnesota Vikings

Why? Finally the highly anticipated entry is here.

The Good. 1969 NFL Champions, Reached 4 Super Bowls

The Bad. The Les Steckel Season and the 2011 season. Beyond that, you don’t see the Vikings have a lot of really bad seasons.

The Ugly. The Vikings have been owned by Dallas on and off the field. In 1975, the Vikings started the season 10-0 only to lose to Dallas at home in the playoffs, 17-14. Fans reacted violently when an offensive pass interference was not called on Dallas receiver Drew Pearson. Debris was thrown onto the field, even a whiskey bottle hit a referee.
In 1989, the Vikings traded for Dallas’s star running back Herschel Walker. The idea behind the trade was to make the Vikings Super Bowl contenders on the short term. However, it never worked out and in turn the Dallas received enough draft picks to resurrect a struggling franchise leading to three Super Bowls in the 1990’s.

Where they play. U.S. Bank Stadium, the new state of the art stadium opened in 2016. Known as the stadium where birds run suicide missions. The Vikings played at the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome for three decades. In between the Vikings shared TCF Stadium with the University of Minnesota.

Owner: Zygi Wilf, Wilf along with other investor bought the Vikings in 2005 from Red McCombs. Wilf argued that the Metrodome was inadequate and when the roof collapsed in 2010, that only furthered his point. Wilf was caught cooking the books in New Jersey and had give out a payment of $80 million to some of his former business partners.

Coach: Mike Zimmer, a long time defensive coordinator, Zimmer just finished his fourth season coaching the Vikings. Zimmer also still plays with stuffed animals, which is highly unusual for a grown man.

Top Current Players: Case Keenum, Stefon Diggs, and Everson Griffen

Hall of Famers: Fran Tarkenton, Paul Krause, Mick Tinglehoff, Chris Doleman, Randall McDaniel, Gary Zimmerman, Ron Yary, Chris Carter, Carl Eller, Randy Moss this summer, Alan Page, John Randle
 
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Kepler said:
That's a good question. Is Michael Jordan the single most important player to any franchise in its history?

Can anybody think of someone comparable?
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Perhaps Bill Russell of the Celtics although that was before the explosion of media coverage. 11 Championships in 13 years.

Gordie Howe of the Redwings?
 
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Slap Shot said:
I was at the game but had no idea myself for several years.
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I was going to say to dx, well, you must not be old enough.

But then you said this.

Huh. It was all over the news at the time. The pictures of the ref walking off with a towel and a bloodied face was an image repeated many times for years. The black mark on Minnesota fans. I'm shocked people who were alive at the time never knew this.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
I was going to say to dx, well, you must not be old enough.

But then you said this.

Huh. It was all over the news at the time. The pictures of the ref walking off with a towel and a bloodied face was an image repeated many times for years. The black mark on Minnesota fans. I'm shocked people who were alive at the time never knew this.
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I would have been almost -10 years old.
 
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mookie1995 said:
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Most of the good people around here have never even seen Bobby Orr play. If you were born on Mothers Day 1970 when Orr was tripped by Noel Picard and went flying through the air after scoring the goal to win the Cup you'd be 48 in a coupla months. That's what the majority of people know him 4(see what I did there), that 28 second clip or a still photo.
 
SonofSouthie said:
Most of the good people around here have never even seen Bobby Orr play. If you were born on Mothers Day 1970 when Orr was tripped by Noel Picard and went flying through the air after scoring the goal to win the Cup you'd be 48 in a coupla months. That's what the majority of people know him 4(see what I did there), that 28 second clip or a still photo.
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For me its more that he had a very small window of greatness. Hard to be #2 all time with a 5-6 year run.
 
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SonofSouthie said:
Most of the good people around here have never even seen Bobby Orr play. If you were born on Mothers Day 1970 when Orr was tripped by Noel Picard and went flying through the air after scoring the goal to win the Cup you'd be 48 in a coupla months. That's what the majority of people know him 4(see what I did there), that 28 second clip or a still photo.
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Orr was a great player but his knees destroyed his chance to be a top 5 player. He's the patron saint of the most self-inflated, self-absorbed parochial fanbase and media dump on Earth so that takes the normal overrating by local yokels national. But in this case the "overratedness" is calling him top 5 when he's top 25.

Top 25 is still pretty f-cking amazing, Bostonians. For once take your minor city neurotic butt hurt and have some perspective. Downgrading Orr isn't debasing you personally. You're losers by totally different criteria.
 
Kepler said:
Orr was a great player but his knees destroyed his chance to be a top 5 player. He's the patron saint of the most self-inflated, self-absorbed parochial fanbase and media dump on Earth so that takes the normal overrating by local yokels national. But in this case the "overratedness" is calling him top 5 when he's top 25.

Top 25 is still pretty f-cking amazing, Bostonians. For once take your minor city neurotic butt hurt and have some perspective. Downgrading Orr isn't debasing you personally. You're losers by totally different criteria.
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What did Boston do to you? The hate is strong in you.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
For me its more that he had a very small window of greatness. Hard to be #2 all time with a 5-6 year run.
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12+ knee surgeries will close that window pretty quick, but, he had 9 solid years in Boston with a Calder Trophy, 8 Norris, 3 Hart, 2 Smythe, 2 Ross(the only defenseman), 1 Pearson(also the only D) and won 2 Cups. The "best of" and the "greatest of" are all subjective but people that have played the game and covered the game have said he was pretty good. And I was lucky enough to get to see him play.
 
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Kepler said:
Orr was a great player but his knees destroyed his chance to be a top 5 player. He's the patron saint of the most self-inflated, self-absorbed parochial fanbase and media dump on Earth so that takes the normal overrating by local yokels national. But in this case the "overratedness" is calling him top 5 when he's top 25.

Top 25 is still pretty f-cking amazing, Bostonians. For once take your minor city neurotic butt hurt and have some perspective. Downgrading Orr isn't debasing you personally. You're losers by totally different criteria.
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I always thought that the patron saint of the most self-inflated, self-absorbed parochial fanbase was Ken Dryden who had an even shorter pro career. :p
I am referring to the Cornell, not Canadien, fanbase.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I always thought that the patron saint of the most self-inflated, self-absorbed parochial fanbase was Ken Dryden who had an even shorter pro career. :p
I am referring to the Cornell, not Canadien, fanbase.
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Shame on you. The patron saint of Cornell is Ned.
 
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