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[alfablue]

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I ask a simpler question= why on earth do we think this is acceptable? We have outrage fatigue. Instead of society moving to fix it we have a whole subset of people getting rich on feeding us the bu11sh1t about guns being the answer. If you really stop to think about it, really think, you have to realize how totally absurd we have become. This business of being told we should have the mindset of 'this is where we are' as a way to stop folks from being resistant to acceptance, shocked, outraged, expecting different, is absurd. It blows my mind the level of acceptance this country has for the ridiculous.

People like joe are never going to second guess their support. They have some position, and when anyone points out that their position conflicts with itself, they don't bother correcting it. Even if they see the conflict themselves.

people like joe are why we are where we are. And now that they see the problem with that- it's the "can't really stop it now" excuse.

Thanks for the world we live in, joe. At least you see how sucky people like you have made it. Good thing people have made a lot of money, isn't it?

 

[SJHovey]

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Hovey, they just assume you Posse types will have guns.

That may be true. I was really disappointed they didn't ask me whether I had a trampoline or a hot tub either. Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't like to party.

 

[5mn_Major]

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School shooting victim is suing the parents of her school shooter. Good. You want to own guns and you let your kids have access your insurance rates should reflect this

A world class legal organization should be formed for said purpose. I'd donate.

I ask a simpler question= why on earth do we think this is acceptable? We have outrage fatigue. Instead of society moving to fix it we have a whole subset of people getting rich on feeding us the bu11sh1t about guns being the answer.

The cause was a minority of Americans turning to guns as a solution to their problems. And no it wasn't violent media as that has been around since media was invented - see Jimmy Cagney.

The solution starts with eliminating conceal.

 

[St. Clown]

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A world class legal organization should be formed for said purpose. I'd donate.



The cause was a minority of Americans turning to guns as a solution to their problems. And no it wasn't violent media as that has been around since media was invented - see Jimmy Cagney.

The solution starts with eliminating conceal.

The American Revolution?

 

[5mn_Major]

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The American Revolution?

Clarify?

 

[St. Clown]

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Clarify?

One-third of people living in the American Colonies solved their taxation issues by using guns, cannons, and armed vessels to overthrow the government. Voila, problems solved!

 

[5mn_Major]

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One-third of people living in the American Colonies solved their taxation issues by using guns, cannons, and armed vessels to overthrow the government. Voila, problems solved!

Using guns to overthrow a foreign power on American soil is not what I'd call a 'day-to-day' solution - which is what they've become. If guns are permanently locked up in peoples homes rather than be allowed on the streets...those afraid of a foreign occupation will be ready when it happens again in 200 years.

Get guns off the streets. End conceal.

 

[SJHovey]

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Using guns to overthrow a foreign power on American soil is not what I'd call a 'day-to-day' solution - which is what they've become. If guns are permanently locked up in peoples homes rather than be allowed on the streets...those afraid of a foreign occupation will be ready when it happens again in 200 years.

Get guns off the streets. End conceal.

Did you know that at least until 2016, Vermont didn't have a conceal carry law? As far as I know, that hasn't changed. No prohibition against carrying a concealed weapon. No requirement that you go through the conceal carry permit process required in most other states.

From 2011-2016, or a period of six years, there were 420 deaths in Vermont caused by gunshot wound. 373 were suicides. 47 were referred to as "homicides," which means the trigger was pulled by someone else. But that includes people shot by police, accidental shootings like hunting accidents, etc...

 

[rufus]

That may be true. I was really disappointed they didn't ask me whether I had a trampoline or a hot tub either. Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't like to party.

Do you do cannonballs from the trampoline into the hot tub?

 

[rufus]

Did you know that at least until 2016, Vermont didn't have a conceal carry law? As far as I know, that hasn't changed. No prohibition against carrying a concealed weapon. No requirement that you go through the conceal carry permit process required in most other states.

From 2011-2016, or a period of six years, there were 420 deaths in Vermont caused by gunshot wound. 373 were suicides. 47 were referred to as "homicides," which means the trigger was pulled by someone else. But that includes people shot by police, accidental shootings like hunting accidents, etc...

But that's that bastion of socialism.

 

[Handyman]

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Did you know that at least until 2016, Vermont didn't have a conceal carry law? As far as I know, that hasn't changed. No prohibition against carrying a concealed weapon. No requirement that you go through the conceal carry permit process required in most other states.

From 2011-2016, or a period of six years, there were 420 deaths in Vermont caused by gunshot wound. 373 were suicides. 47 were referred to as "homicides," which means the trigger was pulled by someone else. But that includes people shot by police, accidental shootings like hunting accidents, etc...

Too be fair there are like 1000 people in Vermont...2000 if you count tourists

 

[5mn_Major]

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Did you know that at least until 2016, Vermont didn't have a conceal carry law? As far as I know, that hasn't changed. No prohibition against carrying a concealed weapon. No requirement that you go through the conceal carry permit process required in most other states.

From 2011-2016, or a period of six years, there were 420 deaths in Vermont caused by gunshot wound. 373 were suicides. 47 were referred to as "homicides," which means the trigger was pulled by someone else. But that includes people shot by police, accidental shootings like hunting accidents, etc...

Vermont has a violent crime rate of 158 per 100,000 people and Alaska has a violent crime rate of 804 per 100,000. Vermont has a gun death rate of 11 per 100,000 and Alaska a gun death rate of 23 per 100,000.

Alaska has the most comparable population to Vermont and doesn't require a permit for conceal. Vermont is on another plane of civility and safety compared to gun states.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nce-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/

 

[SJHovey]

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Do you do cannonballs from the trampoline into the hot tub?

Trust me, that idea certainly percolated through the mind of at least one of our girls.

 

[SJHovey]

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Vermont has a violent crime rate of 158 per 100,000 people and Alaska has a violent crime rate of 804 per 100,000. Vermont has a gun death rate of 11 per 100,000 and Alaska a gun death rate of 23 per 100,000.

Alaska has the most comparable population to Vermont and doesn't require a permit for conceal. Vermont is on another plane of civility and safety compared to gun states.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nce-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/

Do you mean that if people aren't complete psychopathic azzholes to one another that can determine whether gun violence is a problem or not???

 

[5mn_Major]

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Do you mean that if people aren't complete psychopathic azzholes to one another that can determine whether gun violence is a problem or not???

People can be 'psychopathic azzholes' and without others being killed for it. Problem is that they are azzholes with a gun and that causes violence and death rates go up.

Montana and Mississippi are not much better than Alaska. North Dakota has a violent crime rate 50% higher than Vermont.

 

[St. Clown]

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Vermont has a violent crime rate of 158 per 100,000 people and Alaska has a violent crime rate of 804 per 100,000. Vermont has a gun death rate of 11 per 100,000 and Alaska a gun death rate of 23 per 100,000.

Alaska has the most comparable population to Vermont and doesn't require a permit for conceal. Vermont is on another plane of civility and safety compared to gun states.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nce-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/

You are not comparing apples to apples when you compare Alaska to any other part of the nation in regards to culture. There are environment and climate factors at play in that state that will mess with a person's mind. I'm not excusing what people do to each other there, but Alaska is simply not comparable to any of the Contiguous 48. There are deep-rooted social issues that may as well transport most people living in the Bush to the 1880s.

 

[Jimjamesak]

You are not comparing apples to apples when you compare Alaska to any other part of the nation in regards to culture. There are environment and climate factors at play in that state that will mess with a person's mind. I'm not excusing what people do to each other there, but Alaska is simply not comparable to any of the Contiguous 48. There are deep-rooted social issues that may as well transport most people living in the Bush to the 1880s.

BS, Alaska is very comparable.

Anchorage has half of Alaska’s population and violent crime rate of 1144 per 100k.

 

[rufus]

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Vermont has a violent crime rate of 158 per 100,000 people and Alaska has a violent crime rate of 804 per 100,000. Vermont has a gun death rate of 11 per 100,000 and Alaska a gun death rate of 23 per 100,000.

Alaska has the most comparable population to Vermont and doesn't require a permit for conceal. Vermont is on another plane of civility and safety compared to gun states.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nce-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/

Because they're a bastion of socialism.

 

[5mn_Major]

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You are not comparing apples to apples when you compare Alaska to any other part of the nation in regards to culture. There are environment and climate factors at play in that state that will mess with a person's mind. I'm not excusing what people do to each other there, but Alaska is simply not comparable to any of the Contiguous 48. There are deep-rooted social issues that may as well transport most people living in the Bush to the 1880s.

See JJ. Would think he should know.

Your turn. Time to prove that conceal makes society better using logic that actually meets the standards you apply to others.

 

[SJHovey]

See JJ. Would think he should know.

Your turn. Time to prove that conceal makes society better using logic that actually meets the standards you apply to others.

Can’t speak to every conceal carry law, but Minnesota’s has two features I think are positive. First, they require permit holders undergo training on the safe handling of guns. Second, they provide law enforcement with a list of people who may be carrying as officers carry out their work.