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[pokechecker]

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Why would they have to be collected? Rather than that give each gun owner 3 years to turn in any weapon banned and if someone is caught with one after they ban they get 15 years in a fed prison. Or something like that.

They can no longer be produced and many will be voluntarily forfeited slowly thinning the herd over time. This should be viewed as a marathon not a sprint.

people are not going to turn in their weapons and get nothing in return, there are numerous examples
I think it was in Maine where they mandated maximum magazine size and only one was brought in
In Minneapolis they mandated gun registration before the SC declared it illegal, only one person showed up the first day, it didn't get any better
when they offered cash for guns, the only guns brought in were junk that didn't work

this is a marathon and not a sprint?
certainly in areas were liberals control all levels of government minor headway has been made, 10 round magazines for example
but pretty much nothing has happened in the last 40 years they have been trying to control our rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment,
if anything the SC has solidified the right of the people to bear arms

 

[alfablue]

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Why 6

When the current AG in MN was asked how to stop these mass killings, he said limit magazine capacity as well, he mentioned that when he goes turkey hunting he only needs two shots. When I go deer or wolf hunting I only need two shots. But the thing is turkeys, deer, and wolves don’t shoot back, bad guys do.

who is going to volunteer to go collect all the magazines there are currently out there, likely in the tens of millions. And who is going to collect them from the bad dudes?



So in short, your suggestion to lower magazine size ain’t gonna fly.

Bull.

The reason is that most mass killings happen when someone gets a new weapon. Either from a store or from someone else. So if sales are banned of any auto weapon that fires too fast or can hold more than 6 rounds- then it's much less likely that a shooter will ever get their hands on a weapon that can mass kill like they do now.

Now if a mass shooting happens from someone that DOES already have the gun, sure it won't help.

But in terms of "the bad dudes"- look up who is doing the killing- find me one that had the weapon in their collection a year prior to the shooting.

BTW, what's your solution to end the mass killings? The limited capability weapon in Germany surely prevented many more deaths than had it happened here.

My proposal doesn't take guns away, it's just reduces their natural effectiveness to kill people. And it's FAR more likely to happen at this point than banning guns outright.

But if you want to keep fighting, I'm sure the public will eventually reach enough to repeal the 2nd.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Thus cometh the example of why a calm rational discussion on this subject is impossible. Thank you Scoob for being what you are.

Problem is when there is solid logic and a preponderance of evidence against guns...you say nothing. And when someone gets upset and makes an exclamation about the same evidence...you come out saying that its impossible to have a calm rational discussion.

Don't blame an emotional quote from Scooby for your inability to advance persuasive points in favor of the general status quo on guns.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Thus cometh the example of why a calm rational discussion on this subject is impossible. Thank you Scoob for being what you are.

What? Not possible? Certainly could be. More likely the order is you go crazy then get the gun. But, no one seems to care either way. All they care about is that you can get the gun no matter what.

 

[pokechecker]

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Bull.

The reason is that most mass killings happen when someone gets a new weapon. Either from a store or from someone else. So if sales are banned of any auto weapon that fires too fast or can hold more than 6 rounds- then it's much less likely that a shooter will ever get their hands on a weapon that can mass kill like they do now.

so according to you some law abiding citizen buys an evil gun, and is suddenly overcome with the urge to kill people
yeah, that makes a lot of sense, ... to an idiot
I suggest you not buy a gun, you sound like someone who would go off the deep end with one in his hands

you still haven't explained why just 6 rounds

liberals across the US already have argued and won that limiting it to 10 in many areas was the key

and what's the big deal about death by gun? 35,000 people are killed in car accidents every year, mostly due to alcohol and distracted driving
shouldn't we ban cell phones and smart phones
and now the liberal states are legalizing hemp
doesn't sound to me like you care about saving lives, you just don't like people owning guns

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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There's too much "protect me from the brown people" in this country and not enough "protect me from the morons from guns". Trump spends 100% of his limited time when he's not masturbating or golfing on A and spends absolutely zero on B.

We're so worried about making sure people can have, get, shoot their guns that we never seem to worry about who's getting them, why they're getting them, and why they need something so powerful that can do so much damage.

Meanwhile, where the **** are my grenades?????????????????????????????????????

 

[SJHovey]

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The reason is that most mass killings happen when someone gets a new weapon. Either from a store or from someone else.

I'm not intending to be argumentative but is there actually statistical support for this? I guess I wasn't aware that there is a typical or standard sequence.

For example, I think the Las Vegas shooter had purchased weapons over a lengthy period of time, and amassed quite an arsenal. At Sandy Hook, I think the shooter stole his mother's gun, as I recall.

 

[alfablue]

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so according to you some law abiding citizen buys an evil gun, and is suddenly overcome with the urge to kill people
yeah, that makes a lot of sense, ... to an idiot
I suggest you not buy a gun, you sound like someone who would go off the deep end with one in his hands

you still haven't explained why just 6 rounds

liberals across the US already have argued and won that limiting it to 10 in many areas was the key

and what's the big deal about death by gun? 35,000 people are killed in car accidents every year, mostly due to alcohol and distracted driving
shouldn't we ban cell phones and smart phones
and now the liberal states are legalizing hemp
doesn't sound to me like you care about saving lives, you just don't like people owning guns

Given the level of your discourse, it's pretty clear you have no point in your argument. Just accusing other people of being something you think is bad isn't an argument. It's just name calling.

6 is a more a historical number of the first arms that roughly semi-auto- the revolver. And that's the firing rate I would target, too. Less rounds slower will naturally expose fewer people to the harms of a mass shooter. And it's good that you brought up cars, as huge amounts of effort went into increasing vehicle safety and reducing vehicle deaths. And because of that work, the amount of deaths and injury due to vehicle accidents has very much reduced over time. Which is EXACTLY what people want to do with arms.

Vehicle safety items are constantly improving, so accusing people of not caring about vehicle deaths is completely off base.

Just like huge efforts have gone into reducing smoking. And eating well (way more people die of heart disease than shooting).

So given all of the work in ALL other ways people die, we can't we even look at gun deaths??? That make no sense at all. It can't even be studied right now, which is stupid.

BTW, I do have guns. But I actually accept that the point of any gun is to kill what you are shooting. And guns that their only real point is to shoot a lot of rounds in a very short amount of time- they do no good hunting, they do no good on the target range, all they are for is to kill people. You should be able to figure that out if you are as smart as you think you are.

 

[alfablue]

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I'm not intending to be argumentative but is there actually statistical support for this? I guess I wasn't aware that there is a typical or standard sequence.

For example, I think the Las Vegas shooter had purchased weapons over a lengthy period of time, and amassed quite an arsenal. At Sandy Hook, I think the shooter stole his mother's gun, as I recall.

For the first person- that's why I say "most." For Sandy Hook, yes, he stole the gun.

So, no, the proposal isn't perfect. But I can accept that as it will reduce the ability for others to get new weapons.

It's better than doing nothing.

 

[5mn_Major]

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and what's the big deal about death by gun? 35,000 people are killed in car accidents every year, mostly due to alcohol and distracted driving

More were killed by guns in 2016.

 

[The Rube]

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There's too much "protect me from the brown people" in this country and not enough "protect me from the morons from guns". Trump spends 100% of his limited time when he's not masturbating or golfing on A and spends absolutely zero on B.

We're so worried about making sure people can have, get, shoot their guns that we never seem to worry about who's getting them, why they're getting them, and why they need something so powerful that can do so much damage.

Meanwhile, where the **** are my grenades?????????????????????????????????????

Meanwhile, many of us are FOR "protect me from morons with guns" and you spout your usual extremism either in a sarcastic way (grenades) or a (basically) BANZ THE GUNZ way.

 

[joecct]

...Meanwhile, where the **** are my grenades?????????????????????????????????????

Don't you mean flamethrowers?

https://throwflame.com/

Not for use indoors. Use only in a well ventilated space.

 

[pokechecker]

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There's too much "protect me from the brown people" in this country and not enough "protect me from the morons from guns". Trump spends 100% of his limited time when he's not masturbating or golfing on A and spends absolutely zero on B.

We're so worried about making sure people can have, get, shoot their guns that we never seem to worry about who's getting them, why they're getting them, and why they need something so powerful that can do so much damage.

Meanwhile, where the **** are my grenades?????????????????????????????????????

proof of masturbating?

"brown people" commit violent crimes far in excess of their numbers, so putting effort where it is needed most is sound policy

you own your liberties to gun owners, they are the ones who secured it from the evil WASP British, freed the brown people, and stopped the Nazi's and Japs.

it is only now that safety and liberty is secured that you spineless scum come out of the woodwork and want to ban the very tool that secured everything you have, notice than when threatened, 9/11, liberals and women in particular threw their support behind getting retribution because they were scared and turned to men with guns to protect them

 

[wolverineTrumpet]

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I like when we compare gun deaths to automobile deaths.

Cars serve a purpose other than killing machine (I recognize and approve of guns used for hunting and putting food on the table).
Cars require a driver to pass a test, be licensed, and renew that license every few years. Cars require insurance.

I'd like to see licensing, testing and insurance applied across the board to guns.

 

[BassAle]

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you own your liberties to gun owners, they are the ones who...freed the brown people, and stopped the Nazi's and Japs.

I'm pretty sure we can thank the military for stopping the Nazis and not gun owners. This wasn't done by some rednecks with their own personal weapons

 

[pokechecker]

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I like when we compare gun deaths to automobile deaths.

Cars serve a purpose other than killing machine (I recognize and approve of guns used for hunting and putting food on the table).
Cars require a driver to pass a test, be licensed, and renew that license every few years. Cars require insurance.

I'd like to see licensing, testing and insurance applied across the board to guns.

it already exists

remember the Affordable Health Care Act? The War On Poverty & Great Society?
how did that work out?
you people keep throwing solutions at problems and hope it will solve them
then when it doesn't you throw more solutions and hope it works
this thread is a great example why nothing gets done, the politicians do what gets them elected, and you morons just keep throwing crap against the wall

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Meanwhile, many of us are FOR "protect me from morons with guns" and you spout your usual extremism either in a sarcastic way (grenades) or a (basically) BANZ THE GUNZ way.

No you're not. If you were you'd be promoting tax increases across the board to get the necessary mental health facilities and personnel in place. Right now we don't do that. We can't even afford to pay for the VA which is where many of our mental health needs are right now.

Round up the Semi-Autos now. Ban them all. Done.

 

[wolverineTrumpet]

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it already exists

remember the Affordable Health Care Act? The War On Poverty & Great Society?
how did that work out?
you people keep throwing solutions at problems and hope it will solve them
then when it doesn't you throw more solutions and hope it works
this thread is a great example why nothing gets done, the politicians do what gets them elected, and you morons just keep throwing crap against the wall

I'm aware it already exists....that's why I stated "across the board".

So, in your opinion if a solution does not entirely solve an issue, there is no sense in trying it?

My job centers around fixing problems. Not every solution is a 100% fix, but every step in the right direction contributes to the bottom line.

 

[The Rube]

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No you're not. If you were you'd be promoting tax increases across the board to get the necessary mental health facilities and personnel in place. Right now we don't do that. We can't even afford to pay for the VA which is where many of our mental health needs are right now.

Round up the Semi-Autos now. Ban them all. Done.

Are you saying that I don't want increases in mental health care, and mental health checks for gun owners? Because that is the exact opposite of what I have been saying. The exact opposite.

 

[Drew S.]

I'm pretty sure we can thank the military for stopping the Nazis and not gun owners. This wasn't done by some rednecks with their own personal weapons

Russia and England deserve most of the thanks. If not for them gun owners likely would have been taking on the Nazis here.