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0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

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rufus said:
and that would be?
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Well, in Wisconsin Mr. Walker and his party have been pretty good at cutting social services programs. Social workers and therapists are undermanned and have fewer support programs to help them. We just lost an addiction treatment program in our rural county this week.
 
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joecct said:
It seems we're treating the disease (murder by firearm) without addressing what causes a person to murder death kill.
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It's almost like it's something that the Government might want to put some research dollars against, I mean who could be against it?
 
joecct said:
It seems we're treating the disease (murder by firearm) without addressing what causes a person to murder death kill.
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It's amazing that in other countries they don't have these problems. I suppose it's just a coincidence they have universal health care, strong social safety nets and strict gun control.
 
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ticapnews said:
It's amazing that in other countries they don't have these problems. I suppose it's just a coincidence they have universal health care, strong social safety nets and strict gun control.
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For that last point, there are SO many guns right now in the US (which has been pointed out by all sides) that the strict gun control (and land access from other countries) would just not work.

For the Waffle House thing, mental health help, and the dad not being stupid enough to illegally hand off guns to his mentally unstable child.

I want to say also that IIRC, in the Vegas case, the ammo seller wasn't licensed to sell a certain type of ammo/he modified it/something like that, and he did anyway. Please correct if I'm wrong about that.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Would 'strict gun control' be the optimal answer if possible?
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That's the hairy part....what is the exact definition of "strict?" For me, know and perform gun safety/storage at ALL levels, pass mental health checks. Conceal/carry, I am definitely open for discussion, heavily dependent on those first requirements. Again, my main issue is with the attitude towards guns, when mentally healthy; other countries do not have the same attitude as the US towards guns.
 
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Brenthoven said:
For that last point, there are SO many guns right now in the US (which has been pointed out by all sides) that the strict gun control (and land access from other countries) would just not work.
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Both sides agree there are a lot of guns, but only one side seems to keep saying that gun control won't work. The side that is against gun control. Funny coincidence I'm sure.
 
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jerphisch said:
Both sides agree there are a lot of guns, but only one side seems to keep saying that gun control won't work. The side that is against gun control. Funny coincidence I'm sure.
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No. The banning of guns/gun buyback wouldn't work, IMO. Enforcing the laws on the books, and some tweaks to the laws (aka "more gun control") could work.
 
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Weird that "land access from other countries" doesn't seem to be a problem for several landlocked nations in Europe.
 
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ticapnews said:
Weird that "land access from other countries" doesn't seem to be a problem for several landlocked nations in Europe.
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And that ties into gun attitudes.

Canada has a more mature attitude towards guns. Mexico does not (cartels). Look at Chicago. Imported guns to that area. Easy access is obviously key to getting guns.
 
Brenthoven said:
And that ties into gun attitudes.

Canada has a more mature attitude towards guns. Mexico does not (cartels). Look at Chicago. Imported guns to that area. Easy access is obviously key to getting guns.
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You don’t have to go through border security to get to Chicago
 
mookie1995 said:
perhaps he is talking Indiana to Chicago? :p
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Yes I am.

That’s where Brent’s “imported” Chicago guns are coming from. Obviously getting guns from Canada or mexico would be more difficult and expensive, but in Brent’s world it’s as easy as getting them from Indiana.
 
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Brenthoven said:
That's the hairy part....what is the exact definition of "strict?" For me, know and perform gun safety/storage at ALL levels, pass mental health checks. Conceal/carry, I am definitely open for discussion, heavily dependent on those first requirements. Again, my main issue is with the attitude towards guns, when mentally healthy; other countries do not have the same attitude as the US towards guns.
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The definition is a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment, and being defenseless to government slave owners.
 
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