0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

[rufus]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Methinks you're a putz.

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Didn't say that's what I want, just making the point. You want to make it as tough as possible to get a gun. There ya go.

Why don't you start with just getting rid of the most lethal? Everyone can have as many pistols, shotguns, and deer hunting rifles they want. Just can't have an AK or AR.

How many deer rifles are one trigger pull, one bang? That's semi-auto.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Depending on the definition of semi-automatic you use*, a revolver is semi-automatic.



*Some say only firearms where the re-chambering action happens by recoil of the fired round are semi-automatic. Others say the definition is related to activation of the trigger causing re-chambering, either by the aforementioned or by mechanical action (revolver).

 

[rufus]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

How many deer rifles are one trigger pull, one bang? That's semi-auto.

Really? Do tell.

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Really? Do tell.

You're the one trolling. Do tell.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

How many deer rifles are one trigger pull, one bang?

Technically all of them.

Semi-auto is determined by the mechanism of how the action works. With a semi-auto, you don't have to cock the firing pin yourself, eject the spent cartridge yourself, or re-load the weapon until your magazine is empty. Naturally, that allows you to have a high rate of fire. Hence, "semi" automatic.

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Technically all of them.

Semi-auto is determined by the mechanism of how the action works. With a semi-auto, you don't have to cock the firing pin yourself, eject the spent cartridge yourself, or re-load the weapon until your magazine is empty. Naturally, that allows you to have a high rate of fire. Hence, "semi" automatic.

Kinda my point. Folks like rufus say ban AR-15s b/c semi! Well, might want to look into that more. Just because it LOOKS more "bad-arse" doesn't mean it IS more "bad-arse."

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Ok so all five of those people.

The rest of us want, at a minimu, serious restrictions because of things like this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Ok so all five of those people.

The rest of us want, at a minimu, serious restrictions because of things like this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

Ban the Desert Eagle .50 handgun. Just for safety measures, the .44 Magnum. Pretty sure you're a goner if you're hit by those guns.

Again, it's not the gun, it's the person using it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Ah yes. Safe harbor in Slippery Slope Bay. I’ll lwt you know when the storm passes.

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Ah yes. Safe harbor in Slippery Slope Bay. I’ll lwt you know when the storm passes.

Pretty simple: you pass all the tests, you're responsible and sane? What do you want?
If not? No, guns are not for you.

I'd rather have the sanest and most responsible person on earth own the most dangerous, holy sh* all the bullets fired-in-a-second gun, than have an irresponsible/mentally unstable person have a BB gun. It's that simple.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Ban the Desert Eagle .50 handgun. Just for safety measures, the .44 Magnum. Pretty sure you're a goner if you're hit by those guns.

Again, it's not the gun, it's the person using it.

Side Note: The .44 is more or less a horrible gun to commit a crime with . Big, bulky, and not very accurate as a result... But hey, when it was designed as a side arm of last resort against Bears, Lions, and such

But I am also sure that probably less than 5% of .44's produced serve that duty today, so I understand where you're coming from... It's d*ck enhancing capabilities are gonna be a tough thing for owners to give up...

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Side Note: The .44 is more or less a horrible gun to commit a crime with . Big, bulky, and not very accurate as a result... But hey, when it was designed as a side arm of last resort against Bears, Lions, and such

But I am also sure that probably less than 5% of .44's produced serve that duty today, so I understand where you're coming from... It's d*ck enhancing capabilities are gonna be a tough thing for owners to give up...

It's not a spray-n-pray. No doubt. You ain't walking away from a hit, though, most likely. Those guns I mentioned are pure dck swinging, for sure. IF I were to own a gun, right now, it'd prob be a 9mm. Don't need to be shooting through walls and such. Just need to stop the immediate threat at what would be close range. And a 9 would do it.

 

[rufus]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Kinda my point. Folks like rufus say ban AR-15s b/c semi! Well, might want to look into that more. Just because it LOOKS more "bad-arse" doesn't mean it IS more "bad-arse."

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said "because semi". I said most lethal.

And yeah, it is more bad arse. Again, you're a putz.

 

[alfablue]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Again, it's not the gun, it's the person using it.

Come up with a real plan that addresses that. One that does not stomp on THEIR rights, too.

Until then, reducing the severity of mass shootings is a better solution that will harm fewer people. And we know that a ban on that kind of weapon is legal, and constitutional, since we had one before.

Or lets find some new leaders in this country where violence is actually condemned and not just ignored.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Our Elementary Schools have active shooter drills now. All over the country. And the solution that the conservatives have come up with is arming the teachers. Very similar to how they solved the deficit and infrastructure by cutting taxes.

It makes total sense.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Ok so all five of those people.

The rest of us want, at a minimu, serious restrictions because of things like this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

It's not the AR-15.
It's the round, the ammunition.

Muzzle velocity on my .40 caliber handgun (.40 S&W ammunition) is under 1000 feet per second.

An AR-15 fires .223 caliber or .308 caliber (normally).

Muzzle velocity of .223 (5.56 mm NATO) is in the 3500 feet per second range; for .308 (7.62 mm NATO) it's in the 2500 feet per second realm.

Yes, rifle rounds go 2 to 3 or more times faster than handgun rounds. And if you've forgotten your physics, kinetic energy is 1/2 times mass (of round) times velocity (of round) SQUARED. Those rifle rounds carry far more kinetic energy because of their velocity, and kinetic energy delivered causes damage.

The catch is this:
Muzzle velocity is a function of the ammunition moreso than the firearm. That .223 (5.56 mm NATO) is coming out at 3500 feet per second from an AR or a Remington deer rifle.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

It's not a spray-n-pray. No doubt. You ain't walking away from a hit, though, most likely. Those guns I mentioned are pure dck swinging, for sure. IF I were to own a gun, right now, it'd prob be a 9mm. Don't need to be shooting through walls and such. Just need to stop the immediate threat at what would be close range. And a 9 would do it.

9's are fine; I prefer the .40 S&W round.

 

[alfablue]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

It's not the AR-15.
It's the round, the ammunition.

Muzzle velocity on my .40 caliber handgun (.40 S&W ammunition) is under 1000 feet per second.

An AR-15 fires .223 caliber or .308 caliber (normally).

Muzzle velocity of .223 (5.56 mm NATO) is in the 3500 feet per second range; for .308 (7.62 mm NATO) it's in the 2500 feet per second realm.

Yes, rifle rounds go 2 to 3 or more times faster than handgun rounds. And if you've forgotten your physics, kinetic energy is 1/2 times mass (of round) times velocity (of round) SQUARED. Those rifle rounds carry far more kinetic energy because of their velocity, and kinetic energy delivered causes damage.

The catch is this:
Muzzle velocity is a function of the ammunition moreso than the firearm. That .223 (5.56 mm NATO) is coming out at 3500 feet per second from an AR or a Remington deer rifle.

When you are just shooting people, does any of that really matter? Especially at the range that most shootings happen at. The only round/gun that may be possibly not lethal is a 22. But even it will likely kill people at the range that these shooting mostly take place.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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When you are just shooting people, does any of that really matter? Especially at the range that most shootings happen at. The only round/gun that may be possibly not lethal is a 22. But even it will likely kill people at the range that these shooting mostly take place.

Given the linked article I was responding to, yes.

Any caliber ammunition is lethal if misused.