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0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

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The Sicatoka said:
Given the linked article I was responding to, yes.

Any caliber ammunition is lethal if misused.
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All guns should be replaced with those that are guaranteed by the Constitution - BB guns. BB guns have a barrel, a trigger and are 'cool' - just like other guns. They have the huge benefit of not putting the carrier or innocent lives at risk of death. And carriers can feel like they're macho. Besides - BB guns are what the founding fathers meant by 'arms'.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Given the linked article I was responding to, yes.

Any caliber ammunition is lethal if misused.
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How is shooting people having ammunition misused? That's the entire point of a gun.

Not many people go hunting with a .223 based gun, let alone the 9mm autos that we see. Nor do many go with AK47s.

There are very few guns who's only intention is to shoot targets or animals- most are intended to harm people. So there's no misuse when people get shot.
 
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alfablue said:
When you are just shooting people, does any of that really matter? Especially at the range that most shootings happen at. The only round/gun that may be possibly not lethal is a 22. But even it will likely kill people at the range that these shooting mostly take place.
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Among professional killers I think the .22 caliber weapon has more respect than that.

I read a book called "Vengeance." It was a book on the response by the state of Israel to track down and kill the terrorists involved in the 1972 Munich Olympics. I think Spielberg or someone made a pretty crappy movie about it, but the book is excellent.

One of things I remembered about the book was an explanation that the .22 caliber pistol was the preferred weapon of the Mossad in all of its assassinations. As I recall, there were a variety of reasons for this. The shot, usually at close range, didn't cause a lot of blood spatter which could identify the shooter. The weapon when fired made less noise. It also quite frequently caused a wound that was not immediately observable by passersby, so often they didn't know the person laying in the doorway had been shot.

The only reason I remember this is that I too, as a frequent user of the .22 caliber weapon to plink targets and cans and such, never considered it as a weapon someone would use for killing.
 
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5mn_Major said:
All guns should be replaced with those that are guaranteed by the Constitution - BB guns.
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The BB gun was invented circa 1886. I doubt that's what the framers had in mind given they wrote the Constitution about 110 years earlier.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
The BB gun was invented circa 1886. I doubt that's what the framers had in mind given they wrote the Constitution about 110 years earlier.
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"The moose out front should've told you the park is closed."
 
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The Sicatoka said:
The BB gun was invented circa 1886. I doubt that's what the framers had in mind given they wrote the Constitution about 110 years earlier.
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Hmmm...could be that's true - just like the handgun or the rifle that weren't invented until many years later. Maybe the FF did just mean flintlocks.

No, nope. They meant the BB gun alright.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
It's illegal to shoot people; hence, the ammunition was misused.
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But the whole point of having a gun is to shoot people. Why else would you have it? So then it was used as intended.

It's interesting that you have an instrument that it's entire point is to do something illegal.

If it's illegal to shoot people, why even have guns? If you have guns for specific reasons, why are there so many guns out there who are not particularly good at hunting or target shooting? All they are good for is shooting people.

Again, if it's misuse to shoot a person, why even have some of the guns we have?
 
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alfablue said:
But the whole point of having a gun is to shoot people. Why else would you have it?
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I go and shoot at a target range for relaxation.
It makes me focus my mind on the singular task at hand.

Others have firearms for hunting wildlife.


If you believe the only reason to own a firearm is to shoot people, well, bluntly, I hope you never own one.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I go and shoot at a target range for relaxation.
It makes me focus my mind on the singular task at hand.

Others have firearms for hunting wildlife.
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You sound exactly like a co-worker of mine. You don't happen to be an ND expat living in rural East Texas, do you? ;)
 
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alfablue said:
If it's illegal to shoot people, why even have guns?
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Except it's not just "illegal to shoot people". There are all sorts of circumstances that occur somewhere nearly every day in which it's perfectly legal to shoot people. Perhaps even preferable on occasion.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I go and shoot at a target range for relaxation.
It makes me focus my mind on the singular task at hand.

Others have firearms for hunting wildlife.


If you believe the only reason to own a firearm is to shoot people, well, bluntly, I hope you never own one.
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So do you have a specialized target gun? I assume you have a specialized hunting rifle and/or shotgun.

There's no real intention for most guns other than to shoot people, as that's all they are really good for. They suck at hunting and target shooting, but they excel in shooting people.

Again, it's not a fault with the gun or ammo that someone gets shot and killed, as that is *mostly* what they are designed to do. If you don't agree with that, you should take a closer look at the weapons you play with. Target guns shoot once at a time, there's no real need for auto reloading. Accurate hunting guns shoot once at a time, too- so the best value for your shooting $$ isn't an AR15 or a 9mm or any other gun like that.

BTW, I do have guns, and actually recognize what the point of them are.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Except it's not just "illegal to shoot people". There are all sorts of circumstances that occur somewhere nearly every day in which it's perfectly legal to shoot people. Perhaps even preferable on occasion.
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So then it's not a mistake that a weapon kills people, then. That's the intention, isn't it?
 
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If only the people who buy guns and shoot people were as law abiding as you are....

Instead, they use the gun as it was designed, to shoot people.
 
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alfablue said:
But the whole point of having a gun is to shoot people. Why else would you have it? So then it was used as intended.

It's interesting that you have an instrument that it's entire point is to do something illegal.

If it's illegal to shoot people, why even have guns? If you have guns for specific reasons, why are there so many guns out there who are not particularly good at hunting or target shooting? All they are good for is shooting people.

Again, if it's misuse to shoot a person, why even have some of the guns we have?
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Say I'm a burglar. I come up to a residence, and then I hear the sound of a shotgun getting c0cked. I may just turn around and run away.

A gun has that purpose, also, without killing. Intimidation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCEjVC3Dtn8

Now, this is not the best example, as this shows irresponsibly gun ownership, but it does prove a point.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Say I'm a burglar. I come up to a residence, and then I hear the sound of a shotgun getting c0cked. I may just turn around and run away.

A gun has that purpose, also, without killing. Intimidation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCEjVC3Dtn8

Now, this is not the best example, as this shows irresponsibly gun ownership, but it does prove a point.
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Burglar's are more likely to target homes with guns ;)
 
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jerphisch said:
Burglar's are more likely to target homes with guns ;)
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They would never know under the current laws. ;) That's actually a good thing. They don't know. There is no registry, really.
 
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