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0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

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Handyman said:
Drew is a good guy with a gun so he is fine...
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The "you" was in reference to cops.

Somehow Drew seems to think that cops won't like it if there are fewer guns out there to potentially be used against them.
 
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rufus said:
The "you" was in reference to cops.

Somehow Drew seems to think that cops won't like it if there are fewer guns out there to potentially be used against them.
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Cops love it when good guys with guns are shooting and have their guns drawn before they get there. Makes everything safer and easier to deal with.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Cops love it when good guys with guns are shooting and have their guns drawn before they get there. Makes everything safer and easier to deal with.
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Scooby just sent that one over the centerfield wall.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Jacksonville video game shooter David Katz had 26 police callouts to his family home, was hospitalized TWICE in psychiatric units, took anti-psychotic drugs, and was deemed to have a capacity for violence by a psychologist - but STILL passed gun buying checks.</p>— Dave Vescio (@DaveVescio) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveVescio/status/1034920520360181760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Slap Shot said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Jacksonville video game shooter David Katz had 26 police callouts to his family home, was hospitalized TWICE in psychiatric units, took anti-psychotic drugs, and was deemed to have a capacity for violence by a psychologist - but STILL passed gun buying checks.</p>— Dave Vescio (@DaveVescio) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveVescio/status/1034920520360181760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This is the sh* I'm sick of. And I want anyone who is capable of owning a gun, to be able to own a gun.
 
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Slap Shot said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Jacksonville video game shooter David Katz had 26 police callouts to his family home, was hospitalized TWICE in psychiatric units, took anti-psychotic drugs, and was deemed to have a capacity for violence by a psychologist - but STILL passed gun buying checks.</p>— Dave Vescio (@DaveVescio) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveVescio/status/1034920520360181760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So if as many on the right assert, its a mental health issue (which I think even they don't believe). But they want this covered by the government.

Per Huffpo, the astronomical cost of mental health is estimated at $200B - for comparison, that's 4 times the budget of Homeland Security. Evidently gun supporters want the US government to for this. Between tax bills that have grown the US debt 20% in a growing economy and boondoggle spending like this, the right is not about small government. Additionally, this guy had a full bevy of coverage and killed anyways. Can we finally admit that managed health care solutions are not the answer? It is dealing with guns. Period.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/highest-health-costs-mental_us_574302b8e4b045cc9a716371
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Slap Shot said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Jacksonville video game shooter David Katz had 26 police callouts to his family home, was hospitalized TWICE in psychiatric units, took anti-psychotic drugs, and was deemed to have a capacity for violence by a psychologist - but STILL passed gun buying checks.</p>— Dave Vescio (@DaveVescio) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveVescio/status/1034920520360181760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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LOL.

So fun to watch gun nuts scream mental health and never support anyone who would pay for it. It costs money folks. Money that no rightie wants to be taxed or have spent.
 
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They’ve been hypocrites for 30+ years, that’s nothing new...
 
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I've simply maintained that a person like that should not have access to a gun. There is no way he should have passed any background check for a gun.

As for treatment, that's another discussion that is separate from him getting a gun.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I've simply maintained that a person like that should not have access to a gun. There is no way he should have passed any background check for a gun.

As for treatment, that's another discussion that is separate from him getting a gun.
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Wit6hout treatment, it doesn't do much good, cause if a person like that wants to get a gun, in America, he can get a gun. Only a matter of time before he goes off.
 
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rufus said:
Wit6hout treatment, it doesn't do much good, cause if a person like that wants to get a gun, in America, he can get a gun. Only a matter of time before he goes off.
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Yes, he could get a gun if he was that determined. Don't have to make it easy for him, though. Isn't a mental health check part of strengthening the gun laws?
 
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San Bernardino, CA.
10 shot in an apartment complex. 3 in critical condition. Suspect at large.
 
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Brenthoven said:
This is the sh* I'm sick of. And I want anyone who is capable of owning a gun, to be able to own a gun.
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And even if he didn't pass the background check, he'd get it on the black market. How about paying attention to the first four phrases instead of the 5th, and you might see an actual problem.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And even if he didn't pass the background check, he'd get it on the black market. How about paying attention to the first four phrases instead of the 5th, and you might see an actual problem.
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Yes, the actual problem is the mental health part, but as I said, why make it easier for him to get a gun? I already have said that if he wants a gun, he's going to get it, if he's determined enough. That being said, make it that tough for him to get that gun.

Frankly, I'm even open not allowing ANYONE with mental health issues, even if they are on meds/getting help for said issue, to not be able to own a gun. The variable in that equation is just too risky.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Yes, the actual problem is the mental health part, but as I said, why make it easier for him to get a gun? I already have said that if he wants a gun, he's going to get it, if he's determined enough. That being said, make it that tough for him to get that gun.

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It'd be really tough to get a gun if there were no guns.
 
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rufus said:
It'd be really tough to get a gun if there were no guns.
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And yet again, that is an impossible scenario, unless you want a police state. You're just as bad as the gun nuts who want to keep all the guns in play.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And yet again, that is an impossible scenario, unless you want a police state. You're just as bad as the gun nuts who want to keep all the guns in play.
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Didn't say that's what I want, just making the point. You want to make it as tough as possible to get a gun. There ya go.

Why don't you start with just getting rid of the most lethal? Everyone can have as many pistols, shotguns, and deer hunting rifles they want. Just can't have an AK or AR.
 
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rufus said:
Didn't say that's what I want, just making the point. You want to make it as tough as possible to get a gun. There ya go.

Why don't you start with just getting rid of the most lethal? Everyone can have as many pistols, shotguns, and deer hunting rifles they want. Just can't have an AK or AR.
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I want every responsible and mentally stable person to be able to buy a gun, if they so wish. I haven't said make it as tough as possible. I have said there are laws that need be tweaked, to make it toughER. There is a big difference.
 
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rufus said:
Didn't say that's what I want, just making the point. You want to make it as tough as possible to get a gun. There ya go.

Why don't you start with just getting rid of the most lethal? Everyone can have as many pistols, shotguns, and deer hunting rifles they want. Just can't have an AK or AR.
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So i can have a semi auto "deer" rifle but no ar 15.

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walrus said:
So i can have a semi auto "deer" rifle but no ar 15.

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Methinks rufus doesn't understand what "semi-automatic" means.
 
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