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Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

We saw Air Supply perform on our Love Boat Cruise. There was an unexplained 45 minute delay before the show started. The tall guy (Graham Russell) was croaky but the short guy had incredible pipes and vocal range. Dr. Mrs. thinks the real guy (Russell Hitchcock) had a medical incident and they replaced him with a ringer. Besides the huge difference in stamina and vocal quality, her lynchpin argument is the real guy had Barbara Bush hair but the ringer had Angus Young hair.
 
"In what appears to be a tragic coincidence,"

The chef, whose body was found outside the vessel, died by drowning, the coroner said. Toxicology reports on the dead have not yet been released, but none had suffered any physical injuries when the boat went down.

Lynch’s wife Angela Bacares and 14 others survived, including the captain James Cutfield, who, along with a deckhand and the yacht’s engine room manager, is under investigation for multiple manslaughter and causing a negligent shipwreck. They have all been allowed to leave Italy.

Some of the 15 survivors, of whom nine were crew members and six were passengers, including a 1-year-old girl, reportedly told prosecutors that Lynch “did not trust cloud services” and always kept data drives in a secure compartment of the yacht wherever he sailed, a source with the prosecutor’s office told CNN. None of the crew or passengers who survived the incident were tested for drugs or alcohol because they were in a “state of shock,” authorities said during a news conference following the recovery of the bodies.

Morvillo represented Lynch when he was acquitted in a criminal fraud case in the US in June tied to the takeover by Hewlett Packard of his software company Autonomy, and survivors told investigators that the cruise was a celebration of that acquittal, according to the assistant prosecutor, Raffaele Cammarano. Though Lynch was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing in the US, Hewlett Packard has indicated it will not drop its bid to collect a $4 billion civil payout from Lynch’s estate, awarded by a British court in 2022.

In what appears to be a tragic coincidence, Lynch’s business partner Stephen Chamberlain — who was his co-defendant in the US fraud case and the former chief operating officer of Darktrace — died on August 19, the same day the Bayesian sank, after being hit by a car while out jogging two days earlier. A spokesperson for the prosecutor’s office told CNN that Cutfield told them Lynch had learned of Chamberlain’s serious condition and had planned to cut the cruise short to return to the UK to see his business partner, who had been on life support.

The Bayesian sank a few hours before Chamberlain died in the hospital, his lawyer said. Lynch would not have known of his partner’s death, and Chamberlain was in a coma so would not have known about the shipwreck, Chamberlain’s legal counsel said.
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joecct said:
Whomever gets the big chair come next January needs to release the CIA files between 1962 and 1969.

It's going to be ugly, but the air needs to be cleared.
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Agreed!

Some quick points…
there were testimonies from north of 500 witnesses, medical and ballistics experts that did not make it into the Warren Commission report or 26 volumes of hearings and testimonies. They were to be withheld until 2038.

not only that, but we now know that JFK’s greatest adversary at CIA (and there were legions of enemies there) Allen Dulles, whom JFK fired in Nov 1961, appeared at The Farm (former Camp Peary) the alternate CIA HQ where senior officers monitored ongoing ops, on November 22, 1963. The hell was he doing there? He stayed until the evening of November 24, 1963.

there evidently is a conversation caught (intercepted and recorded) by NSA from Sept 1961 where CIA is implicated in shooting down U.N. Secretary General Dag Hammarksjold’s plane. This tape needs to be provided to the U.N. Who have opened up a new investigation.

the man holding RFK’s right arm entering the pantry at the time of his assassination was a CIA asset, Thane Eugen Cesar. His files are withheld because of national security.

A file on Malcolm X was delivered to the DIRECTOR OF plans for CIA in 1964, Richard Helms. Later that year Egyptian President Gamul Abdul Nasser warned Malcolm that he needed security because the CIA was after him. When he was killed at the Audubon Ballroom the pattern was familiar. Someone in the middle of the audience got up and screamed at the person next to him “get your hand out of my pocket!” …all eyes in the ballroom were drawn to this scuffle between two men and at that moment 2-3 people in the first 2 rows got up and shot Malcolm down. The pattern was create a diversion, draw eyes away from the killers…

CIA connected cops in Chicago murdered Fred Hampton.

Patrice Lumumba, Salvador Allende and on and on.

oh…wait till y’all read up on chappaquiddick. What the hell were E. Howard Hunt and David Morales doing there that day??? And what did John Dean mean when he was caught on White House tapes telling John Mitchell “Kennedy didn’t know the bear trap he walked into”????
 
Conspiracy:
Hallmark actually developed 5 different plots for their movies, but only one was kept. The other 4 were locked away in a studio vault, never to be released.
 
I'm wondering if after pushing God off the throne during the Super Bowl, Taylor is going to come in for an injured Mahomes, lead the Chiefs down the field, and throw a 15 yard strike to Travis Kelce to win the game.
 
Latest update on the Trump Administration unsealing the JFK Assassination files:

They want to bring in the attending physicians who performed the autopsy to have then clear up some conflicting notes in the reports. They also would like to bring in some members of the Warren Commission because there are also conflicting reports from them.



No word on if the Ouija board séance will be live streamed or not.
 
aparch said:
Latest update on the Trump Administration unsealing the JFK Assassination files:

They want to bring in the attending physicians who performed the autopsy to have then clear up some conflicting notes in the reports. They also would like to bring in some members of the Warren Commission because there are also conflicting reports from them.



No word on if the Ouija board séance will be live streamed or not.
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I would urge caution on all of this and audit everything you read and see on these files to get to the ultimate sources of information.

There is one hell of a lot of disinformation seeded into the narrative and even complete fake files created to distract and send people down rabbit holes (“LBJ did it”, “mafia did it”, Israel did it”’nonsense) to divert attention from the real killers.

But…it’s not all bad news. There is still a hell of a lot of information that has been withheld that is VERY relevant to determining what happened.

Some might wonder, for instance, just why the hell did Allen Dulles show up at The Farm (old Camp Peary, CIA alternate hq for ops) on 11-22-63 and stayed until after LHO was killed on 11-24-63. That nugget was in his day planner found at Princeton library.

Also, what was Bill Harvey doing in Dallas one week prior to the assassination? Why was Dulles in Dallas, on 3 occasions, one month, 2 weeks and then 2 days prior to the assassination?

And now the FBI says “oops, we found 2,400 files we didn’t know we had”!!! Beware on this. It could all be disinformation to accuse the Soviet’s, Cubans, mafia or knows who. We won’t know until the files are released, analyzed and thorough audited.
 
We don't need to entertain ourselves with bullshit made up secret conspiracies anymore. There is a conspiracy playing out OPENLY in the news every fucking day.

Life > art.
 
Kepler said:
I'm saying we've got a bigger problem now.
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I hear ya!! We have huge problems with President Musk…but I’d argue the assassinations of Jack, Malcolm, Martin and Bobby by their enemies made today’s situation (Musk, Trump) possible and that’s partly why the institutions like CIA are fighting so hard to keep the knowledge memory-holed (I’m of the mind the country is controlled by Wall Street, Intelligence Community and Pentagon since Dallas). Because if the plebs found out who was responsible for Dallas, Audubon Ballroom, Lorraine Motel, Ambasador Hotel and who continues the perpetual cover-up and why the plebs would go Sam Adams and buildings would be taken apart brick by brick to get at the palpatines.

I’d argue the truth of Dallas, Audubon Ballroom, Lorraine Motel, Ambassador Hotel are the key to moving forward and breaking out of the Truman Show we live in.

I love this quote and I think more voters need to heed it.
"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child."


Marcus Tullius Cicero
 
You have no idea who did what though. I'm sorry but there are too many moving parts with all of these assassinations for so many hidden truths to not have come out by now.
 
Slap Shot said:
You have no idea who did what though. I'm sorry but there are too many moving parts with all of these assassinations for so many hidden truths to not have come out by now.
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Actually we do know quite a bit. There have been 4 federal investigations into Dallas. Each one of them accumulated files from fbi, cia, secret service, various police and sheriff departments, state, pentagon, irs, ins, etc., and created reports. Much of it was withheld, but a lot has been released and sits at the archives yet msm doesn’t dare touch what these files actually show.

For instance, we now KNOW CIA had a file on Oswald that pre-dates his defection to USSR. We know he was sent to USSR as a fake defector. What we don’t know is who he was working for, ONI or CIA. Most likely the latter as he had top secret clearance to the U-2.

We also know, 4 of 7 Warren commission members absolutely disagreed with their reports conclusions.

We know members of Church committee (senate investigation of CIA in 1975-6) concluded based on evidence they uncovered that CIA officials and assets had JFK killed. Some of the committee members who knew this were republican Senator Richard Schwieker and democrat Gary Hart.

We know the head of counterintelligence at CIA, James Angleton had a file on Oswald going back ton1959 and held it close to the vest. In 1959-61 the Soviet-Russia desk at CIA had NO file on LHO. What? Why??

We know 6 weeks prior to the assassination both the FBI and CIA in effect turned the flashing red light off of Oswald. Meaning both agencies had people who didn’t know Oswald was CIA (and an FBI informant) and who were diligently tracking him as a known defector, but the plotters needed to shut them down and I forget the names at the moment but the flash on Oswald was turned off (for lack of a better way to put it) at BOTH agencies in the same week, 6 weeks prior to Dallas.

We know that beginning in April-May of 1962, Allen Dulles (the godfather of American intelligence whom JFK fired in Nov 1961) began to hold meetings 2-3x at his house in Georgetown. Meetings attended by James Angleton and Richard Helms (both of whom attended every meeting).

We know all of these 3 and more at CIA exhibited foreknowledge of the assassination. Bill Harvey (head of the assassination team code-named zr/rifle) also exhibited foreknowledge and was seen on a plane to Dallas from Rome the week prior to the assassination.

another angle is why? Why was Jack killed?

Here’s some of what we KNOW about his actions
- he supported Patrice Lumumba, prime minister of Congo, and supported Lumumba’s efforts toward independence from Belgium
- he supported the efforts of UN Secretary General, Dag Hammarskjöld to assisting African countries gain Independence from colonial powers
- 2-3x he turned down Cuba invasion plans subsequent to BOP
- he turned down Operation Northwoods
- he fired the top 3 people at CIA in 1961
- he fought CIA officials and pentagon at very step of his presidency
- he asked for, received and implemented withdrawal plans from generals in Vietnam (Paul Harkins was one of those generals) the withdrawal was to be completed in 1965
- he had back door back channel peace talks with Castro using Lisa Howard (ABC) and French Journalist, Jean Danielle as his proxies, Danielle was with Castro on 11-22-63 conveying Jack’s ideas
- he had 13 months of back door back channel peace talks with Khruschev that were so advanced Khrushchev said he was prepared to cut the USSR military budget in half in the first year of JFK’s second term…the. One was killed and the other cou’d out of power
- JFK stood for and with non-aligned countries around the globe (Nasser in Egypt, Nkrumah in Ghana, Toure, Bella, etc.)
-CIA never told the Kennedy’s about their kill Castro plots. When RFk found out he went ballistic. The CIA then claimed to shut them down but records clearly show they continued against the AG’s instructions

Other things we know
On 11-22-63 RFK made 2 phone calls in the afternoon. The first was to Langley and a dozen people at his house including Justice department officials hear him scream “did your men kill my brother?!!!”
His 2nd call was to a Cuba CIA asset in Miami and the same group of people heard RFK scream into the phone “some of your men killed my brother!!!”

There’s way more information available. It would take a book-length post to recite it all
 
As to the question of so many moving parts and people would have talked…I mean,…for example At least a half dozen people Must have known Who killed Jimmy Hoffa and why (it had to be green lit by the Commission in NYC) yet no-one knows where he wound up or the details. People can keep secrets when their jobs or lives are on the line.

The Manhattan Project involved at least 1,000 people yet the world was shocked in August of 45.

As it pertains to JFK, etc. numerous files have been destroyed, film and photographs confiscated. Witnesses murdered etc.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Not a great analogy considering Stalin knew.
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He was an ally. Of course he knew. The point is Japan, and most of the entire world had 0 idea and that kind of destroys the whole “someone would have talked” or “people can’t keep secrets” narrative imo.
 
I just take it on faith that JFK, RFK, Malcolm, and Martin were political murders. They were each threats to the rightwing establishment so they used 2nd Amendment remedies. That's what the Right does when it senses a threat, as its only considerations are self interest and power. The Right are Machiavellians.

So. Granted. But 60 years ago does not matter in the face of a real fascist coup taking place right now. And historical analysis is wasted effort in the face of actual Nazis murdering people right now.
 
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