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118th Congress - Neutered Dog Attempts to Legislate

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DO NOT INTERRUPT YOUR ENEMEY WHEN THEY ARE ACTIVELY MAKING A MISTAKE!

They are playing into themselves into a corner where they just appeal to your crazy Aunt/Uncle. Let them.

The campaigns for 2024 write themselves. We have experience with the Dump crowd now and know how to counteract it. Just keep picking off the Conservative, but not insane voters one by one. They won't be permanent D voters, but the Freedumb Caucus will surely fuck up something that will hit home with these voters. Let them continue to drive a wedge through the R's base. Eventually we will have a clean split.
 
The very concept of a debt limit - as currently constituted - is absurd. It isn't a debt limit, it's a payment limit. Some on the right know this (Cruz, Gaetz), some don't (MTG, Boebert, Gosar). The issue is that the smarter ones either don't care or actively cheer for a default, or are so high on their own stash that they think the "other side" will blink and give them what they want, like McCarthy did.


In the end, the federal government is required by our very constitution to pay its debts. I'd love to see Biden ignore a debt ceiling breach and continue to pay bills as constitutionally mandated. Sure, we risk some shitbag MAGA judge putting a stay on that, but would an appeals court - even the ridiculous 5th - plunge the economy of the entire world into recession? Would SCOTUS?
 
Gallego will be announcing next week that he’s challenging Sinema
 
RaceBoarder said:
DO NOT INTERRUPT YOUR ENEMEY WHEN THEY ARE ACTIVELY MAKING A MISTAKE!

They are playing into themselves into a corner where they just appeal to your crazy Aunt/Uncle. Let them.

The campaigns for 2024 write themselves. We have experience with the Dump crowd now and know how to counteract it. Just keep picking off the Conservative, but not insane voters one by one. They won't be permanent D voters, but the Freedumb Caucus will surely **** up something that will hit home with these voters. Let them continue to drive a wedge through the R's base. Eventually we will have a clean split.
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Bingo. They have learned nothing, they have doubled down on the very things that has been losing since 2018. They have turned on each other and even their useful idiots at Faux in many cases. They have zero agenda and went from the party that attacked virtue signaling and culture wars to having an agenda that is only virtue signaling and culture wars which even half their base doesn't want to deal with. They are all hat and no cattle, trying to bluff their way through it.

So let them. They think because they got lucky once and got the straight flush on the river that means they are great poker players. Meanwhile the professional gamblers will just sit there and watch and slowly bleed them dry.

The Dems just have to keep doing what they are doing. Play the game by the rules, the people showed in November that is ultimately what they want. (in the macro, obviously in specific cases they think otherwise) 2 years of infighting and worthless investigations isn't going to matter for people who can't pay for eggs or who can barely afford to heat their homes. No one outside the bubble is going to blame the Dems for inflation when the Dems have no control over how to fight inflation. Don't get baited in just keep fighting for what you believe in and let the GOP hang themselves...again.
 
Handyman said:
Bingo. They have learned nothing, they have doubled down on the very things that has been losing since 2018. They have turned on each other and even their useful idiots at Faux in many cases. They have zero agenda and went from the party that attacked virtue signaling and culture wars to having an agenda that is only virtue signaling and culture wars which even half their base doesn't want to deal with. They are all hat and no cattle, trying to bluff their way through it.

So let them. They think because they got lucky once and got the straight flush on the river that means they are great poker players. Meanwhile the professional gamblers will just sit there and watch and slowly bleed them dry.

The Dems just have to keep doing what they are doing. Play the game by the rules, the people showed in November that is ultimately what they want. (in the macro, obviously in specific cases they think otherwise) 2 years of infighting and worthless investigations isn't going to matter for people who can't pay for eggs or who can barely afford to heat their homes. No one outside the bubble is going to blame the Dems for inflation when the Dems have no control over how to fight inflation. Don't get baited in just keep fighting for what you believe in and let the GOP hang themselves...again.
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The only concern I have is convincing D's (Like Scoob for example) that this is a long play and that we're gonna have to endure some short term stupidity.

I get that DERP is annoying, but how do we keep people interested in the long game, despite them being hit with the occasional sucker punch? Sure it hurts for a moment, but in the end, it's just an attempt to bring the D's into the quicksand pit so the R's can take the D's down with them.
 
Kepler said:
They're still mad about the Nullification Crisis.
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This is it, right here. These red state pols see blue states flouting federal laws on weed, for example, and so they feel that red states also ought to be able to apply 10A and give the finger to federal laws and SCOTUS decisions they find inconvenient or distasteful. Of course in the case of many conservatives, that's CRA '64 and Obergefell. They think they're being unfairly "cancelled" or bullied off of online platforms for being white conservatives because the conservative media bubble tells them they're victims. So they feel that today's left hates and discriminates against white cons and that there is a double standard being applied when they're told that their businesses can't discriminate against people on the basis of certain protected classes.

Essentially, conservatives and the media they consume have given themselves a huge victim complex. They've been in control for so long and it's slipping away as the younger generations attend the very universities that many of us were ironically told we had to attend to get good jobs and avoid the gutter. Now the Boomers are upset about "wokeness" when in many cases it's kind of their own d@mn fault.
 
RaceBoarder said:
The only concern I have is convincing D's (Like Scoob for example) that this is a long play and that we're gonna have to endure some short term stupidity.

I get that DERP is annoying, but how do we keep people interested in the long game, despite them being hit with the occasional sucker punch? Sure it hurts for a moment, but in the end, it's just an attempt to bring the D's into the quicksand pit so the R's can take the D's down with them.
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In a way it's ideal because the Dems can actually speak even more directly to the Left even if they have no intention of honoring their commitments, because they don't hold the House agenda.
 
Handyman said:
Bingo. They have learned nothing, they have doubled down on the very things that has been losing since 2018. They have turned on each other and even their useful idiots at Faux in many cases. They have zero agenda and went from the party that attacked virtue signaling and culture wars to having an agenda that is only virtue signaling and culture wars which even half their base doesn't want to deal with. They are all hat and no cattle, trying to bluff their way through it.

So let them. They think because they got lucky once and got the straight flush on the river that means they are great poker players. Meanwhile the professional gamblers will just sit there and watch and slowly bleed them dry.

The Dems just have to keep doing what they are doing. Play the game by the rules, the people showed in November that is ultimately what they want. (in the macro, obviously in specific cases they think otherwise) 2 years of infighting and worthless investigations isn't going to matter for people who can't pay for eggs or who can barely afford to heat their homes. No one outside the bubble is going to blame the Dems for inflation when the Dems have no control over how to fight inflation. Don't get baited in just keep fighting for what you believe in and let the GOP hang themselves...again.
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Hey they are probably still working on that healthcare plan. Any day now
 
RaceBoarder said:
The only concern I have is convincing D's (Like Scoob for example) that this is a long play and that we're gonna have to endure some short term stupidity.

I get that DERP is annoying, but how do we keep people interested in the long game, despite them being hit with the occasional sucker punch? Sure it hurts for a moment, but in the end, it's just an attempt to bring the D's into the quicksand pit so the R's can take the D's down with them.
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It will be tough to be sure. Thankfully the GOP can be counted on to do something so monumentally stupid it will be easy to ignore the small bs in the interim.
 
Swansong said:
The very concept of a debt limit - as currently constituted - is absurd. It isn't a debt limit, it's a payment limit. Some on the right know this (Cruz, Gaetz), some don't (MTG, Boebert, Gosar). The issue is that the smarter ones either don't care or actively cheer for a default, or are so high on their own stash that they think the "other side" will blink and give them what they want, like McCarthy did.


In the end, the federal government is required by our very constitution to pay its debts. I'd love to see Biden ignore a debt ceiling breach and continue to pay bills as constitutionally mandated. Sure, we risk some ****bag MAGA judge putting a stay on that, but would an appeals court - even the ridiculous 5th - plunge the economy of the entire world into recession? Would SCOTUS?
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Mint. The. Coin.
 
Amendment 14

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Tell the Magats to GFY
 
Swansong said:
Exactly. How can we let an arguably unconstitutional law stand in the way of they plain text of the 14th amendment?
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Are we positive that any MAGA person has ever gotten past the 2nd when reading The Constitution?

I mean, they say they have, but do we have confirmation???
 
RaceBoarder said:
Are we positive that any MAGA person has ever gotten past the 2nd when reading The Constitution?

I mean, they say they have, but do we have confirmation???
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Most people, including liberals, have only a Cliff Notes understanding of con law. Even when they know what the controlling case stands for, they are rarely familiar with the line of cases leading up to it.
 
burd said:
Most people, including liberals, have only a Cliff Notes understanding of con law. Even when they know what the controlling case stands for, they are rarely familiar with the line of cases leading up to it.
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You dont need to know Con Law to be able to understand the actual words in the Constitution...
 
Handyman said:
You dont need to know Con Law to be able to understand the actual words in the Constitution...
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Do you mean to know the words or to understand them, because if you mean to understand then I have to wonder whether 230+ years of Supreme Court cases were largely a waste of time.

edit: I should add that you sure as hell don't need to be a lawyer or attend law school to understand supreme court decisions.
 
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