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Incredibly Dull Boring 2022 Pairwise and Tournament Possibilites Thread

Siouxfaninseattle said:
Attendance just gets lip service from the NC$$ but I think the sites would like to see butts in the seats. I suspect that the day between games idea will go away real fast if attendance turns out as poor as I think it will.
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Logic doesn't seem to matter. Why would sites be willing to pay so much money to the NCAA for the privilege of losing money when attendance is lousy? I remember when the University of Maine had the pipe dream of hosting in Portland we calculated that attendance would have to average 3400 just to break even. Add in the extra day and that has only gone up. So why do places like Allentown and Albany keep bidding when attendance doesn't merit it? Yet they do and the NCAA keeps the cash coming.
 
ticapnews said:
Logic doesn't seem to matter. Why would sites be willing to pay so much money to the NCAA for the privilege of losing money when attendance is lousy? I remember when the University of Maine had the pipe dream of hosting in Portland we calculated that attendance would have to average 3400 just to break even. Add in the extra day and that has only gone up. So why do places like Allentown and Albany keep bidding when attendance doesn't merit it? Yet they do and the NCAA keeps the cash coming.
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This is what I keep wondering......
Obviously, Loveland bids in the strong hope that DU makes it (and usually they will)
Fargo can bid with NoDak as host, because NoDak almost never misses, and their fans will come down I-29 in bunches.
Sioux Falls bidding with Omaha as a host is safe also, because if Omaha doesn't qualify, there are lots of close schools - Mankato, NoDak, Minnesota, St Cloud all are close enough for even day trips to the games.
Worcester? Lots of Boston teams
Bridgeport - same kind of thing.

But places like Allentown? Albany? I don't get it.
 
For Allentown, Penn State is the host. Who funds the whole thing? Couldn't PSU be footing the bill just for the chance to go there if they make tournament? That school has plenty of money to do that.

When we can't/don't have regionals in Minnesota and Michigan, the system is clearly broken.
 
Name a site for an off-campus regional that would have 70% arena capacity no matter (within reason) the four teams, … Go!

Scheel’s Arena, Fargo, ND
 
Numbers said:
Fargo can bid with NoDak as host, because NoDak almost never misses, and their fans will come down I-29 in bunches.
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A past UND AD told me that about 1/3 of REA season ticket holders live in Cass (Fargo) County. Not sure if that still holds a decade later, but wouldn’t be surprised.
 
Siouxfaninseattle said:
Attendance just gets lip service from the NC$$ but I think the sites would like to see butts in the seats. I suspect that the day between games idea will go away real fast if attendance turns out as poor as I think it will.
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the real issue is the time between games. They have an ideal setup to avoid the problems of multiple overtimes but that's going to cost them severely in attendence.
 
Numbers said:
This is what I keep wondering......
Obviously, Loveland bids in the strong hope that DU makes it (and usually they will)
Fargo can bid with NoDak as host, because NoDak almost never misses, and their fans will come down I-29 in bunches.
Sioux Falls bidding with Omaha as a host is safe also, because if Omaha doesn't qualify, there are lots of close schools - Mankato, NoDak, Minnesota, St Cloud all are close enough for even day trips to the games.
Worcester? Lots of Boston teams
Bridgeport - same kind of thing.

But places like Allentown? Albany? I don't get it.
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Albany is fairly centrally located. The majority of eastern teams are within a couple hours.

Allentown is a bit further out. Although, it's not that much different distance wise to go from Boston to Allentown (312 miles) as it is from Grand Forks to Sioux Falls (320 miles).
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Albany is fairly centrally located. The majority of eastern teams are within a couple hours.

Allentown is a bit further out. Although, it's not that much different distance wise to go from Boston to Allentown (312 miles) as it is from Grand Forks to Sioux Falls (320 miles).
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"A couple hours" in New England is not centrally located. If it isn't within an hour it may as well be in Sioux Falls. Hell, there's a train that takes you almost to the entrance of the DCU Center in Worcester and attendance is still hit or miss even with two Boston teams.
 
The committee worries about “flights” also.

So why select three regional sites that are within 300 miles of each other when the fly/drive cutoff for team travel is 500 miles? Doing such guarantees everyone outside that little geographic bubble flies.
 
ticapnews said:
"A couple hours" in New England is not centrally located. If it isn't within an hour it may as well be in Sioux Falls. Hell, there's a train that takes you almost to the entrance of the DCU Center in Worcester and attendance is still hit or miss even with two Boston teams.
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It's still centrally located. Just because people out east are apparently incapable of traveling more than 8 feet from their front doors doesn't change that fact. ; )
 
The Sicatoka said:
The committee worries about “flights” also.

So why select three regional sites that are within 300 miles of each other when the fly/drive cutoff for team travel is 500 miles? Doing such guarantees everyone outside that little geographic bubble flies.
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To be fair, the selection site committee only chooses from sites that bid. I'm not sure what "western" sites bid for the 2022 Regionals, but I'm guessing it may have only been the 2.

Now, the better question is probably why Allentown, PA is allowed to bid for a western regional?
 
The Sicatoka said:
The committee worries about “flights” also.

So why select three regional sites that are within 300 miles of each other when the fly/drive cutoff for team travel is 500 miles? Doing such guarantees everyone outside that little geographic bubble flies.
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They're just selecting who bids but that's the problem. Whatever rules/restrictions are in place that lead us to not having a regional in Minnesota/Michigan is absurd to me.

Worcester, Albany, Fargo, Bridgeport...those are logical choices. Even Loveland is fine with me because DU is usually in tournament and there is an established hockey culture in Colorado. Or any "odd" location like Sioux Falls that UND can help with. But when you have Allentown as a 3rd eastern regional in same cycle it throws everything off. Gotta be some smart people in the game to get us to a point where regionals can be held in Minnesota/Michigan but that's assuming there are people who really want to push for changes.
 
Sucks to be Albany. How many people constitute a "crowd?" That might be a "small gathering."

Dollars to donuts the school with the best representation will be North Dakota.
 
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Before Allentown, Toledo bid. That was a disaster. I don't think the arenas actually bid for a particular geography. They just bid to host. The committee choses the host sites accordingly. Now, about Allentown....Imagine a year in which PSU qualifies, and then add Niagara from the AHA. Point being.....if the teams were 10-6 East instead of 10-6 West, that doesn't look like nearly as bad a spot to have a regional.

I agree a bunch with the poster saying that the rules must be bad if there is never a regional in Minnesota or Michigan. But I will tell you the reason...

In Minnesota, who could host?
Duluth at Amsoil (arena is not on campus)
SCSU (same)
MSUM (same)
Target Center.

Of these, Target is out because of the High School Basketball Tournaments. The others look like 'safe' places, and the fact that they don't bid can only be atritbuted to one thing.....$$$

In Michigan, I have no idea who could host. All the barns are on campus, so you would be talking about Van Andel in Grand Rapids, who has in the past, but lost too much money....

You get the idea. All the western locations are too smart to throw money away on the idea.
 
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