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huskyfan
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Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
and I don't see mass immigrations of French to Wisconsin.
and I don't see mass immigrations of French to Wisconsin.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Well, not anymore there isn't. Look to its history and you will find plenty. Ever been to Fon du Lac, WI? How about Eau Claire or Lacrosse?
Well, not anymore there isn't. Look to its history and you will find plenty. Ever been to Fon du Lac, WI? How about Eau Claire or Lacrosse?
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
I lived in LaCrosse for years and can't say I ran into much of a French cultural presence there.
The city is named after a game played by Native Americans who once lived at that site, and I didn't notice a strong Native American presence either.
But then if I hadn't spent so much of my time on 3rd Street I might have had a broader cultural experience.
I lived in LaCrosse for years and can't say I ran into much of a French cultural presence there.
The city is named after a game played by Native Americans who once lived at that site, and I didn't notice a strong Native American presence either.
But then if I hadn't spent so much of my time on 3rd Street I might have had a broader cultural experience.
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
The game of Lacrosse was named by French explorers/immigrants who thought that the sticks looked like a bishop's scepter, which had a cross on the top, so Lacrosse is a French word. It makes sense to me that a town would be named that in an area that had at least some French influence.I lived in LaCrosse for years and can't say I ran into much of a French cultural presence there.
The city is named after a game played by Native Americans who once lived at that site, and I didn't notice a strong Native American presence either.
But then if I hadn't spent so much of my time on 3rd Street I might have had a broader cultural experience.
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Most of the good folks of Wisconsin swore off all connections with the French, wimpy bastids, when they refused to support the Iraq invasion.
Most of the good folks of Wisconsin swore off all connections with the French, wimpy bastids, when they refused to support the Iraq invasion.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
3 is more than half of 5, so I'll go with 3.
WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Naming a town is much different than mass immigration. All it takes is one successful exploration and one small group can re-name an entire region. I say re-name because I do not think any of those individuals the European explorers displaced coined all the French names. I lived in Fond du Lac for close to 20 years and I am not sure I met a single family who identified as French. Mostly German, Irish, Scandinavian, etc, like the rest of Wisconsin. More importantly for the discussion in this thread, either Catholic or Lutheran
Naming a town is much different than mass immigration. All it takes is one successful exploration and one small group can re-name an entire region. I say re-name because I do not think any of those individuals the European explorers displaced coined all the French names. I lived in Fond du Lac for close to 20 years and I am not sure I met a single family who identified as French. Mostly German, Irish, Scandinavian, etc, like the rest of Wisconsin. More importantly for the discussion in this thread, either Catholic or Lutheran
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
During the '06 Frozen Four, I was at the Milwaukee history museum. They mentioned the French as the fourth or fifth most prolific group European, with the Germans and Polish being the first two, then it was either the Swedes or Norwegians. The French just bought the claimed the "unsettled" places first.Naming a town is much different than mass immigration. All it takes is one successful exploration and one small group can re-name an entire region. I say re-name because I do not think any of those individuals the European explorers displaced coined all the French names. I lived in Fond du Lac for close to 20 years and I am not sure I met a single family who identified as French. Mostly German, Irish, Scandinavian, etc, like the rest of Wisconsin. More importantly for the discussion in this thread, either Catholic or Lutheran
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Amerigo Vespucci called. He wanted to know how Fiorenza Nuova is working out.
Amerigo Vespucci called. He wanted to know how Fiorenza Nuova is working out.
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Great disquisition today in WSJ from Charles Murray on the essential differences between liberals and progressives.
Perhaps that can make it more clear how I can both consider myself a "liberal" who also despises "progressive" politics.
Great disquisition today in WSJ from Charles Murray on the essential differences between liberals and progressives.
Perhaps that can make it more clear how I can both consider myself a "liberal" who also despises "progressive" politics.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Where by "great disquisition" you mean sophomore dorm bullshit session. Murray should know better. The Bell Curve is unfairly reviled and actually a work of real scholarship. But he's completely out of his depth, here, like a plumber trying to rewire his house.
That excerpt also reminds me of the venomous and completely accurate take down of the Newt Gingrich School of rhetoric: "it's an uneducated person's idea of what an educated person sounds like." There's another great quote (paraphrasing) from a famous conservative who said "the likelihood that your speaker is a cafe poser is proportional to the frequency of him making declarative statements about Rousseau, Marx or Hegel." Again, Murray should know better -- he's not the usual fool who writes in the WSJ. But good lord, a second semester poli sci major could tell he's talking out of his anus.
If you are actually interested in this line of inquiry and not just trying to dazzle with slapdash silliness, there is a tradition of legitimate and subtle analysis out there, but fair warning, it takes a TON of work and it will leave you far less partisan than you are now. As a start read this book. Everybody knows the Hedgehog piece by heart, but read the rest -- in particular, study what Berlin had to say about Herzen. This is no game for sophists, but there's something really bracing about reading The Real Thing after years of marinating in the garbage our culture regards as Serious Political Thought. The downside is you will never take any popular political opinion-blarger, left or right, seriously again -- they may as well be Nelson Muntz once you've tried the heavy stuff.
This I promise you: if you're serious and open-minded you'll get a lot out of it. Also, the arguments in it are actually related to your post, so you might even get some serious grounding for what is obviously your prefab partisan stance. They are also the Mona Lisa compared to somebody drooling on a tablecloth in Murdoch's commissariat, so if nothing else your readers will be happier.
They're also the most devastating criticism of authoritarianism that I've ever read. Oh, and Berlin's even funny, in his own very dry way. Well, funny Chesterton, but without the bile and anger.
Where by "great disquisition" you mean sophomore dorm bullshit session. Murray should know better. The Bell Curve is unfairly reviled and actually a work of real scholarship. But he's completely out of his depth, here, like a plumber trying to rewire his house.
That excerpt also reminds me of the venomous and completely accurate take down of the Newt Gingrich School of rhetoric: "it's an uneducated person's idea of what an educated person sounds like." There's another great quote (paraphrasing) from a famous conservative who said "the likelihood that your speaker is a cafe poser is proportional to the frequency of him making declarative statements about Rousseau, Marx or Hegel." Again, Murray should know better -- he's not the usual fool who writes in the WSJ. But good lord, a second semester poli sci major could tell he's talking out of his anus.
If you are actually interested in this line of inquiry and not just trying to dazzle with slapdash silliness, there is a tradition of legitimate and subtle analysis out there, but fair warning, it takes a TON of work and it will leave you far less partisan than you are now. As a start read this book. Everybody knows the Hedgehog piece by heart, but read the rest -- in particular, study what Berlin had to say about Herzen. This is no game for sophists, but there's something really bracing about reading The Real Thing after years of marinating in the garbage our culture regards as Serious Political Thought. The downside is you will never take any popular political opinion-blarger, left or right, seriously again -- they may as well be Nelson Muntz once you've tried the heavy stuff.
This I promise you: if you're serious and open-minded you'll get a lot out of it. Also, the arguments in it are actually related to your post, so you might even get some serious grounding for what is obviously your prefab partisan stance. They are also the Mona Lisa compared to somebody drooling on a tablecloth in Murdoch's commissariat, so if nothing else your readers will be happier.
They're also the most devastating criticism of authoritarianism that I've ever read. Oh, and Berlin's even funny, in his own very dry way. Well, funny Chesterton, but without the bile and anger.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Meanwhile...
Happy 4th, everyone! Please be safe in all your driving, 'sploding, and other activities.
The reason for the season:
- - - - - -
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Matthew Thornton
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Meanwhile...
Happy 4th, everyone! Please be safe in all your driving, 'sploding, and other activities.
The reason for the season:
- - - - - -
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Matthew Thornton
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
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William Blake
Registered User
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
I was going to say, I can't tell if I should be insulted or not because it's all *'ed out, but I can see the word you used when I quote it (at least before I post this), so I know not to be
I was going to say, I can't tell if I should be insulted or not because it's all *'ed out, but I can see the word you used when I quote it (at least before I post this), so I know not to be
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Some of this is overstated, particularly the insistence that this is a completely unprecedented internecine party fight. But one paragraph captured the essence of why, even if we've seen it before, it's potentially so dangerous:
And that's the key. The far right is not conservative, it's exactly the opposite. The kernel of conservatism is the protection of basic American values. The monster currently lumbering on the right will happily destroy all of those values as long as it gets power. In the long run, they're dead -- quite literally, they are demographically dead within 20 years. But in the short run they can still do a lot of damage.
Some of this is overstated, particularly the insistence that this is a completely unprecedented internecine party fight. But one paragraph captured the essence of why, even if we've seen it before, it's potentially so dangerous:
And that's the key. The far right is not conservative, it's exactly the opposite. The kernel of conservatism is the protection of basic American values. The monster currently lumbering on the right will happily destroy all of those values as long as it gets power. In the long run, they're dead -- quite literally, they are demographically dead within 20 years. But in the short run they can still do a lot of damage.
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Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
Sometimes I'm stunned by how differently you see things. Wow!
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
That's why God made different flavor ice cream.
How do you see things? I'm interested to know.
That's why God made different flavor ice cream.
How do you see things? I'm interested to know.
Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition
I'm just referring to the representation that those who define themselves as conservative don't have an interest in preserving basic traditional values. If you reframed it and said pro-big business Republicans, then I'd understand where you're coming from and agree. But social conservative Republicans view themselves as fighting a tough rearguard action to try to preserve what fragments remain of traditional basic values in this country in a setting where social mores are being rewritten by the minute.That's why God made different flavor ice cream.
How do you see things? I'm interested to know.