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Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition

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Re: Your Political Stance - 2014 Edition

But the only thing non believers have done here was to try to shift blame of terrible behavior from bad/misinformed people onto an entire following of Jesus that simply professes cooperation, sympathy and love. I have provided plenty of evidence to address the weakness of that position without reply.

So yeah. Give up.
Jesus would have been the last person on earth to claim that Christians are without sin (i.e. terrible behavior). You should probably follow his example - you would find a much more receptive audience among non-believers.
 
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Jesus would have been the last person on earth to claim that Christians are without sin (i.e. terrible behavior).

Definitely true. I see you didn't say that the scriptures aren't without sin, or the Word isn't without sin, but rather referenced individuals (Christian or not). Indeed, it is a person that may or may not sin...not video games, pornography, guns, not a faith. People are responsible for their behavior.
 
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Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice thinks the First Amendment (and the Constitution as a whole) only protects Christians. So I would ask, which Christians? Christians as Major defines them? Or anyone who self-identifies as Christian?

“Everybody, to include the U.S. Supreme Court, has been deceived as to one little word in the First Amendment called ‘religion.' They can't define it. They can't define it the way Mason, Madison and even the United State Supreme Court defined it, 'the duties we owe to the creator and the manner of discharging it.' They don’t want to do that, because that acknowledges a creator god. Buddha didn't create us. Mohammed didn't create us. It's the god of the Holy Scriptures.

"They didn't bring a Koran over on the pilgrim ship, Mayflower. Let's get real. Let's go back and learn our history."


"You know, when I look back, I was proud to uphold the law, the Constitution of the United States and the First Amendment, which states basically we must acknowledge God to have a moral basis for our society and to retain that freedom of conscience which every person in this state and in this country recognizes is very important."

What about Jews? I assume the Old Testament was on the Mayflower.
 
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Ah, all those awkward references to Christianity throughout the founding of this nation. The judge is right that folks nowadays don't know what to do with those, as they make it challenging to rewrite history and expunge religion from this nation.

You think he's saying the Constitution only protects Christians? Twisted interpretations for 100 there Alex.
 
Ah, all those awkward references to Christianity throughout the founding of this nation. The judge is right that folks nowadays don't know what to do with those, as they make it challenging to rewrite history and expunge religion from this nation.

You think he's saying the Constitution only protects Christians? Twisted interpretations for 100 there Alex.

which states basically we must acknowledge God
Not Buddha. Not Mohammad. Not Great Spirit. The Christian God.
 
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Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice thinks the First Amendment (and the Constitution as a whole) only protects Christians. So I would ask, which Christians? Christians as Major defines them? Or anyone who self-identifies as Christian?

What about Jews? I assume the Old Testament was on the Mayflower.

Assuming what you say is correct...

The guy is failing the faith he proclaims as He 'would have none of that'... the position he holds as separation is a cornerstone of the American concept...and the constituencies he serves by being divisive. I don't blame Christianity for his behavior, I don't blame the judiciary process he's trying to execute, I don't blame democracy because he's elected/beholden to his constituency. This is his own doing.
 
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Not Buddha. Not Mohammad. Not Great Spirit. The Christian God.
Still don't see where he's saying anything about Christians being the only protected people under the Constitution. Your imagination is in overdrive today. The spot you quote is where he's simply saying, and it's not a new concept, that the basis for the moral underpinnings of a nation is an acknowledgement of God. He's not saying you're forced to, just that if a society does not, bad things will happen as we no longer have those moral underpinnings. You are totally misstating what is being said (without getting into the merits of his point) to make it sound very extreme, when it isn't.
 
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The spot you quote is where he's simply saying, and it's not a new concept, that the basis for the moral underpinnings of a nation is an acknowledgement of God. He's not saying you're forced to, just that if a society does not, bad things will happen as we no longer have those moral underpinnings.

So you can't have morals without being religious? If so, then I guess it's amazing I haven't killed anyone, stolen anyone's property, or slept with another guy's wife/girlfriend yet.
 
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When I browsed that argument I assumed you guys were talking about this guy.

Dominion Theology is cool when I do it but terrible when you do.
 
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So you can't have morals without being religious? If so, then I guess it's amazing I haven't killed anyone, stolen anyone's property, or slept with another guy's wife/girlfriend yet.
I wasn't getting into that discussion (as I said, but you apparent missed), just saying that Priceless's interpretation that the judge said only Christians should be protected under the Constitution is simply not what the judge was saying.
 
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So you can't have morals without being religious? If so, then I guess it's amazing I haven't killed anyone, stolen anyone's property, or slept with another guy's wife/girlfriend yet.

By all accounts, you should be turning gay any minute now.
 
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This could be a demand issue, not a supply choice.

I walked into that one. :)

And Bob, I guess I did miss where you said you weren't going to delve into that topic. Went back over both of your previous posts and didn't see anything about it. So, if you aren't feeling up to tackling that one today, then perhaps some other time.
 
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I walked into that one. :)

And Bob, I guess I did miss where you said you weren't going to delve into that topic. Went back over both of your previous posts and didn't see anything about it. So, if you aren't feeling up to tackling that one today, then perhaps some other time.

Hard to have a discussion about such a subject around here, anytime. I have had a few good side discussions with folks though if that would be of interest.
 
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Definitely true. I see you didn't say that the scriptures aren't without sin, or the Word isn't without sin, but rather referenced individuals (Christian or not). Indeed, it is a person that may or may not sin...not video games, pornography, guns, not a faith. People are responsible for their behavior.

So your argument has been reduced to "words don't sin," then? What are the corollaries of this fascinating position: Fish don't do jumping jacks? Coffee mugs don't build skyscrapers? Motorcycles don't host TV shows?

All are equally true and equally non-informative.
 
So your argument has been reduced to "words don't sin," then? What are the corollaries of this fascinating position: Fish don't do jumping jacks? Coffee mugs don't build skyscrapers? Motorcycles don't host TV shows?

All are equally true and equally non-informative.

Yeah, I'm back. Call me a glutton for punishment.

The dictionary definition of Christianity is, "the religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies."

Major seems to think Christianity is defined simply as the scripture itself, not the actual religion(s) practiced by human beings.

But if we really want to go down this absurd path, I'd argue any mistake made in interpreting the bible leading to negative results is God's fault, and by extension Jesus's. A divine being surely knows about the concepts of brevity, conciseness, and clear writing. Why be so metaphorical in what you want your followers to do?
 
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But if we really want to go down this absurd path, I'd argue any mistake made in interpreting the bible leading to negative results is God's fault, and by extension Jesus's.

Oh sure, the Holy Ghost gets another free pass. The Teflon Ghost.
 
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