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Yale Hockey 2014-2015. 138 miles to the ultimate goal.

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LTsatch said:
After all the talk about officiating, it was quite ironic how McDonald actually called a good game at QU yesterday, couldn't believe it.
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He did? :confused:

Actually, he wasn't terrible, but that doesn't mean he was good either. The problem yesterday were the linesmen. They seemed to have a real problem with icing calls and wave-offs.
 
Re: Yale Hockey 2014-2015. 138 miles to the ultimate goal.

Huge Yale fan and recent grad here. I don't post much, but wow was last night devastating. Just want to chime in on three things:
1) The 5 minute major. I was sitting on the glass behind the Harvard net on the play (so right next to it pretty much), and I knew the second Killian hit him that it was going to be 5. It was a hit from behind (could have also called boarding) that was absolutely reckless and while I know there was no intent to injure (I actually know Matt, real nice guy), you need to wrap a guy up and ride him into the boards there. Can't just give him a shove in the back. You make a guy bleed on a bad hit from behind and that'll be 5 minutes any time. Seen it a dozen times in the last 5 years.

2) Not to take anything away from Cody -- he is the definition of a hard-working, over-achiever who has contributed more to this team over the last 2 years than anyone could have expected. That said -- he made a real bad play that led to the Harvard game winner. In case you missed it, with about 5 seconds to go on a Yale powerplay, Learned had trouble controlling a puck inside the Yale offensive zone and proceeded to skate the puck out of the zone, cough it up to a Harvard defender and the trip him to put Harvard up a man. I think the winning goal was even strength, but it was after another grueling penalty kill. You can only give a team as good as Harvard so many chances before they pop one in.

3) ALEX LYON. I've seen the guy play about a dozen times, and wow is he something special. He saved the game multiple times in both OTs -- Harvard breakaways, going post-to-post on wide open nets and using his glove to snag a rocket of a wrister. Yale could have lost that game 5 times before they actually did, so hats off to Lyon for keeping em around.

Come back next year with some more offensive fire-power and this team could be special!
 
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Importance of each out of conference game is much higher for Yale than for any other team (outside the Ivy).
This is highlighted this year by the fact that a win vs Northeastern (a game we were up 2-0 and lost 3-2) and we would be looking an easy 3 seed (would be 9th in pairwise).
Let's hope for next year we get one or two finishers and a better out of conference schedule.
Behind Lyon and the D, this team could be special if we can find offensive skill players like we had a few years ago.
 
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There is one very unprobable set of wins and loses that would allow Yale and Harvard to both make the NCAA's but the chances are slim and almost none. It depends on a Harvard win over Q and Vermont running the table. The Ivy only have 7 non-conference so its very important to schedule them well and try and land some top matchups. You don't need to win them all. Look at St. Cloud, barely .500. Harvards wins over BC, BU and UML have let them weather the storm created by injuries. You need some, not a lot, of quality non-conference wins.
 
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cornellgradyalefan;6127029 The problem with officiating in the ECAC is that it's not consistent. In this game they could have lost control because of the accumulation of hits after the whistle that weren't called and then they essentially shoot a guy for committing a misdemeanor. It's good for both teams that the game wasn't decided by the major penalty.[/QUOTE said:
You are correct and this has always been the problem. Inconsistency is THE issue with ECAC officiating. In Friday's matchup between SLU and RPI they did not call the game the same way in the 3rd and they did in the 1st. By the 3rd, RPI was clearly gassed and committed a half dozen fairly obvious calls that were not called but chinzy stuff was called in the first. It is frustrating.

However, no one has mentioned that the Yale player also got a Game DQ which means, had Yale won, he would have to sit at least the semifinal. The only way the ref calls it a Game DQ instead of Game Misconduct is if, on that particular call, he sees intent to injure or it was especially egregious. I have no idea how it looked to the fans, but the Game DQ tells me it looked really bad to the ref.
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Dutchman said:
There is one very unprobable set of wins and loses that would allow Yale and Harvard to both make the NCAA's but the chances are slim and almost none. It depends on a Harvard win over Q and Vermont running the table.
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I don't think this is accurate. In fact, if Vermont runs the table and leapfrogs into the NCAAs via autobid while BU is already in, then it makes it incredibly hard for Yale to make it even if Harvard wins the ECAC. The Pairwise Predictor seems to validate this.

On the other hand, there are many scenarios where QPac, Harvard, and Yale ALL make it, but as I said on a previous page, they all depend on Harvard winning ECAC and BU winning HE (not Vermont). Vermont can lose immediately, or to BU in the HE final, and still have this outcome, as long as several of the other leagues have a top-2 favorite win the title. Examples:

Harvard wins ECAC, but Vermont loses immediately vs UML, BU wins HE
RESULT: QPac, Harvard, Yale are all IN
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-predictor/pwp_55064c18e6ebd/

Harvard wins ECAC, Vermont beats UML, loses to BU in HE final
RESULT: QPac, Harvard, Yale are all IN
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-predictor/pwp_5506d41c70c91/

For these two examples, there are lots of permutations where you can change the outcomes of NCHC, WCHA, AHA, etc in many different ways and still get these 3 ECAC teams in. The short story is, if Harvard wins the ECAC and BU wins Hockey East, things get very exciting for the ECAC as a conference.

Then there is the example I posted earlier that another poster uncovered, where Harvard doesn't win, QPac does, and Yale still makes it, but the wiggle room for the other conferences is not so abundant.
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-predictor/pwp_550655ecb5cfe/
 
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ZamboniDude said:
On the other hand, there are many scenarios where QPac, Harvard, and Yale ALL make it, but as I said on a previous page, they all depend on Harvard winning ECAC
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Good Work !!!! Hope all three make the NCAA's. Does Colgate or St. Lawrence have to win it all to make it?
 
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Crimson on the Glass said:
Colgate no. But nearly so.
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Agree with Crimson. I think St. Lawrence is win out or bust, because they can't move high enough with only one more win. The Bracketology "What we know" column from a few days ago agrees.

If Colgate loses the first game, I think they might be done. However, if they make it to the ECAC final and lose to Qpac, then you can use the Predictor to create a few scenarios where Colgate makes it at-large as the 15 seed as long as nearly every favorite wins all the other conferences. There isn't much wiggle room though.

I haven't been able to find a scenario where Colgate can lose the ECAC final to Harvard and still make it, because in that case Harvard and Qpac are both taking spots from Colgate, even if all the favorites win everywhere else.
 
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ZamboniDude said:
I haven't been able to find a scenario where Colgate can lose the ECAC final to Harvard and still make it, because in that case Harvard and Qpac are both taking spots from Colgate, even if all the favorites win everywhere else.
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I agree, and that one pulls Yale up and over Colgate as the 3rd ECAC bid. And I don't think there is any way to get a 4th.

I actually came up with a scheme whereby Harvard makes it in even with a semi round loss to Quinnipiac, though I won't say so out loud. Like a lot of the razor's edge scenarios, it requires a lot of HEA cooperation, SCS's double loss .500 drop out, and then some 4th decimal place RPI comparisons. At some point a cholera outbreak or an asteroid strike seems more likely.

Simpler to just go beat the Bobcats, cheer for Colgate, and then pull the Elis in along with us!
 
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Re: Yale Hockey 2014-2015. 138 miles to the ultimate goal.

Crimson on the Glass said:
I agree, and that one pulls Yale up and over Colgate as the 3rd ECAC bid. And I don't think there is any way to get a 4th.

I actually came up with a scheme whereby Harvard makes it in even with a semi round loss to Quinnipiac, though I won't say so out loud. Like a lot of the razor's edge scenarios, it requires a lot of HEA cooperation, SCS's double loss .500 drop out, and then some 4th decimal place RPI comparisons. At some point a cholera outbreak or an asteroid strike seems more likely.

Simpler to just go beat the Bobcats, cheer for Colgate, and then pull the Elis in along with us!
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All that red in your rep must be from the last third of your final sentence! I hope it happens.
 
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LTsatch said:
All that red in your rep must be from the last third of your final sentence! I hope it happens.
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Hah, no I am a board newbie with but a single rep slight - from the time I simply agreed with another poster who suggested that the incessant RPI cheer of "Sucks!" is not very clever. It isn't.

But yeah, this Yale team has been great to watch at Bright or Ingalls and deserves to be in the tournament, just not in our region please.
 
Re: Yale Hockey 2014-2015. 138 miles to the ultimate goal.

Crimson on the Glass said:
Hah, no I am a board newbie with but a single rep slight - from the time I simply agreed with another poster who suggested that the incessant RPI cheer of "Sucks!" is not very clever. It isn't.

But yeah, this Yale team has been great to watch at Bright or Ingalls and deserves to be in the tournament, just not in our region please.
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Look back in this thread and you will see that most of us here predicted that the Yale out of conference schedule would hamstring their chances and that proved to be true. Although losing to Northeastern turned out being the achilles heel. BU and PVD already on the schedule for next year, watch out what we wish for!
BTW the only time you will ever hear a "sucks" chant at Ingalls is when HVD is in the house. Never "you suck" just the traditional "Harvard Sucks" . The northern ECAC teams and HE love that stuff.
 
Re: Yale Hockey 2014-2015. 138 miles to the ultimate goal.

Crimson on the Glass said:
Hah, no I am a board newbie with but a single rep slight - from the time I simply agreed with another poster who suggested that the incessant RPI cheer of "Sucks!" is not very clever. It isn't.

But yeah, this Yale team has been great to watch at Bright or Ingalls and deserves to be in the tournament, just not in our region please.
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Better than anything Yale cheers...
 
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lugnut92 said:
Better than anything Yale cheers...
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Mostly a bunch of astute hockey fans who don't bother with that crap. All that choreographed chanting is just a little too contrived. If there was a competition for hockey chanters, most Yale fans would happily take last place.
 
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Yale is up to 20% to make the national tournament.

One catch: You have to root for Harvard tomorrow night.
 
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