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Worst Frozen Four Ever

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For much of "atmosphere"- it has a lot to do with how good the game is.
Clearly correct.

Yes, Ford Field was, and will be, quieter than pretty much all hockey arenas.
Ironically, the much-larger-than-usual contigent of neutral newbies may have had a chilling effect on the rest of the crowd. If everyone sitting around you is wildly fired up, you also tend to get fired up. But if everyone close by is just out for a stroll in the park, that can also be contagious -- maybe even a little intimidating.

But it should not take RIT fans to get the two championship team fans on their feet. And thankfully, we were next to RIT for that pretty lame ending to the game- they really helped.
At least we scored! At least we scored! Well done, RIT.

Good games will keep a small crowd on their toes. Bad games will do nothing to a large crowd.

Apples and oranges.
Not the whole story, as suggested above. But certainly true.
 
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Of course, even if the fans were all fired up, the stadium is still half empty - even with record crowds for a hockey game.
 
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If that's your criteria, you might as well cancel your Frozen Four tickets. I doubt the X is going to get that loud over a 6 or 7 goal lead either.

You've got a point... Although what I was getting at is that in a hockey arena, when something meaningful happens on the ice you can usually notice when you're in the concourse even if it didn't produce a huge roar from the crowd. In Ford Field, I generally had no clue that anything was going on inside the rink from the concourse.
 
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For blowout 3, Wisconsin >>> BC fans, and neither their fans nor the band tried to do anything.

The game was 1-0 after 2 periods. It might have ended up a blowout, but it wasn't for the majority of the game. The BC band was behind the glass at the opposite end of the rink from their fans. They were at the same end in game 1 and it mad a difference.
 
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The game was 1-0 after 2 periods. It might have ended up a blowout, but it wasn't for the majority of the game. The BC band was behind the glass at the opposite end of the rink from their fans. They were at the same end in game 1 and it mad a difference.

True, which, to me, makes it so curious that the Wisconsin fans as a whole were so quiet. The BC band was playing as much as they could, whereas the Wisconsin band, well, didn't. Being in the same end- it was quite enjoyable to hear them so much.

They were only loud when the teams were announced. After that, they only seemed to react to RIT, and not what was going on between BC and Wisconsin.
 
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The atmosphere for all the Frozen Fours I've been to was better than Ford Field. We've sat in or close to the top of the upper bowls in a few Frozen Fours and the view from there is better than pretty much any seat at Ford Field, simply because we were horizontally much closer to the ice and could see what was going on better. The atmosphere issue at Ford Field was principally a function of being so far from the ice surface horizontally, not which teams were there or what the scores of the games were. That plus the terrible acoustics.

Anaheim wasn't as good of a host as Detroit, but the hockey games themselves had a lot better atmosphere and the seats were better. The fact that it was in a hockey arena does make that much difference.

Use football fields for football! Hockey arenas for Hockey! Our group will never go again if it is held on another Football field. The complaints are numerous.
 
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Use football fields for football! Hockey arenas for Hockey! Our group will never go again if it is held on another Football field. The complaints are numerous.

I think fair is fair.

Next year's Super Bowl has to be played in an ice arena.
 
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True, which, to me, makes it so curious that the Wisconsin fans as a whole were so quiet. The BC band was playing as much as they could, whereas the Wisconsin band, well, didn't. Being in the same end- it was quite enjoyable to hear them so much.

They were only loud when the teams were announced. After that, they only seemed to react to RIT, and not what was going on between BC and Wisconsin.

You keep saying this, and it makes me wonder if you were watching the game at all. BC had Wisconsin all bottled up - UW was not playing well, certainly not giving the fans much to cheer for.
 
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You keep saying this, and it makes me wonder if you were watching the game at all. BC had Wisconsin all bottled up - UW was not playing well, certainly not giving the fans much to cheer for.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
 
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You keep saying this, and it makes me wonder if you were watching the game at all. BC had Wisconsin all bottled up - UW was not playing well, certainly not giving the fans much to cheer for.

well RIT didn't give their fans much to cheer about saturday --- though that didn't stop the fans.;)
 
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You keep saying this, and it makes me wonder if you were watching the game at all. BC had Wisconsin all bottled up - UW was not playing well, certainly not giving the fans much to cheer for.

That is true about the first and last 15 minutes of the game. However, the Badgers dominated play throughout most of the rest of the game and came a couple deflections away from turning the game around completely.
 
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You keep saying this, and it makes me wonder if you were watching the game at all. BC had Wisconsin all bottled up - UW was not playing well, certainly not giving the fans much to cheer for.

Does that mean that Wisconsin fans don't encourage their team when they are down??

I saw the game live, and saw how many chances Wisconsin had to tie it up, and we talked about how big the next goal was. Did you really watch the game? The end of the 2nd was very close- and Wisconsin had plenty of really good chances that they could not get through.

3 rows behind us, the Wisconsin fans seemed more interested in the RIT fans than the game. Saying things about how embarassing they are... dude- YOUR team in in the National Championship game- shouldn't you encourage them???

The game was close even after BC's second goal. It wasn't until the 3rd that the wheels came off. That's well over 40 min of hockey with more attention paid to RIT than what was happening on the ice, at least vocally.

If they only cheer when good things are happening, I think we need to bring down the fan reputation a few notches. Even Michigan fans get on their feet to encourage the team when they are playing bad- especially in big games. In Wisconsin's biggest game of the season- by a WIDE margin, the fans emulate the team? Is that how it works?

Too bad more BC fans didn't make the opposite trip we made in '98.
 
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Does that mean that Wisconsin fans don't encourage their team when they are down??

Sure they do, but they need a little positive reinforcement to keep that energy up, just like any sports fans.

I saw the game live, and saw how many chances Wisconsin had to tie it up, and we talked about how big the next goal was. Did you really watch the game? The end of the 2nd was very close- and Wisconsin had plenty of really good chances that they could not get through.

I watched every second of it. It was a close game through 2 periods, no one denies that. And had UW tied it up, the fans would have erupted - trust me.

But plenty of good chances? I don't think so. Having watched UW many times this season, they were off their game, not connecting on passes, not getting shots. They only got 20 shots on Muse, many of which weren't that great of opportunities.

That said, they played well enough defensively through two to keep the game within reach, but UW never really threatened. And right when they built a little momentum in the third, they give up a soft, five-hole goal.

The team was obviously deflated on the bench. Not too hard to think that might affect the fans too, eh?

3 rows behind us, the Wisconsin fans seemed more interested in the RIT fans than the game. Saying things about how embarassing they are... dude- YOUR team in in the National Championship game- shouldn't you encourage them???

The game was close even after BC's second goal. It wasn't until the 3rd that the wheels came off. That's well over 40 min of hockey with more attention paid to RIT than what was happening on the ice, at least vocally.

Um, BC's 2nd goal was in the third. Your recollection seems a bit off. And yes, the wheels came off and put the game out of reach - but despite being close before, UW never really threatened to tie things up. UW's best scoring chance was a half-breakaway where the puck hopped over Davies' stick and he wiffed on the shot - a nice microcosm of the entire game right there for UW.

If they only cheer when good things are happening, I think we need to bring down the fan reputation a few notches. Even Michigan fans get on their feet to encourage the team when they are playing bad- especially in big games. In Wisconsin's biggest game of the season- by a WIDE margin, the fans emulate the team? Is that how it works?

You're telling me you've actually been to a sporting event where the home team fans cheer just as loudly for a team that's losing the entire time as they do for a winning effort?

I'm calling bull****.

If UW would have scored, the place would have erupted. If UW would have had sustained pressure in the zone, even.
 
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Sure they do, but they need a little positive reinforcement to keep that energy up, just like any sports fans.
didn't seem like it to me.
I watched every second of it. It was a close game through 2 periods, no one denies that. And had UW tied it up, the fans would have erupted - trust me.
so you ARE saying that they need good news for anything to happen...

But plenty of good chances? I don't think so. Having watched UW many times this season, they were off their game, not connecting on passes, not getting shots. They only got 20 shots on Muse, many of which weren't that great of opportunities.
I didn't say that they had good shots on net, but that they had good chances where they controlled the play in the BC zone. Chances don't always mean shots.

That said, they played well enough defensively through two to keep the game within reach, but UW never really threatened. And right when they built a little momentum in the third, they give up a soft, five-hole goal.

The team was obviously deflated on the bench. Not too hard to think that might affect the fans too, eh?

Um, BC's 2nd goal was in the third. Your recollection seems a bit off. And yes, the wheels came off and put the game out of reach - but despite being close before, UW never really threatened to tie things up. UW's best scoring chance was a half-breakaway where the puck hopped over Davies' stick and he wiffed on the shot - a nice microcosm of the entire game right there for UW.
My recollection is correct. I never said that the 2nd or 3rd goal happened in the 2nd period, I said that the wheels came off after the 3rd goal. Apparenly you didn't actually read that I said +40 min of hockey before the wheels came off- or more than 2 periods.

You're telling me you've actually been to a sporting event where the home team fans cheer just as loudly for a team that's losing the entire time as they do for a winning effort?

I'm calling bull****.

If UW would have scored, the place would have erupted. If UW would have had sustained pressure in the zone, even.

Call bull all you want, but it happened. At Yost. I was quite pleased with the fans. They did the best they could to get our team back into the game- alas it was for naught.

I personally don't care if you belive it or not.

That, and it happened Thursday in YOUR game (RIT was WAY louder than Wisconsin even though they were getting thrashed).

But I will call out Wisconsin fans for being so many and so quiet for a 1-0 game over 40 min. Can't blame the venue when 60% of the fans sat on their hands.
 
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You're telling me you've actually been to a sporting event where the home team fans cheer just as loudly for a team that's losing the entire time as they do for a winning effort?

I'm calling bull****.

If UW would have scored, the place would have erupted. If UW would have had sustained pressure in the zone, even.

My take on the comment alfa made was that UM fans would try to pump up their team at some point during the game if they were struggling, not that they would be continuously on their feet and roaring if they were down by 4 goals by the midpoint of period one. It isn't that uncommon. Before Munn began getting a reputation for being a fairly uninspired environment the cheers from the MSU faithful would often reach their loudest FOLLOWING an opponents goal.

I wasn't there so I cannot comment from first hand knowledge about the FFFF, but I find it impossible to believe -- outside of the games themselves -- it was the worst ever. Logistically a number have been worse in the last 10-15 years. The atmosphere at some was just as bad, if not worse. A half empty stadium in Anaheim looked every bit as bad as Ford Field did on Thursday. And make no mistake about the spectacle that was 37,000 people attending the championship game. That alone makes a pretty big statement, especially with the nearest school 7 hours away. I've stated before that the 37,000 people didn't by themselves make this a successful endeavor, but to completely discount the fact that the largest crowd to ever see an indoor hockey game did so for a COLLEGE hockey game and say this was the worst FF ever is a bit over the top.
 
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but to completely discount the fact that the largest crowd to ever see an indoor hockey game did so for a COLLEGE hockey game and say this was the worst FF ever is a bit over the top.

Of course, indoor at a domed football stadium is a different animal than indoor at an actual hockey arena. 37,000 is peanuts compared to other hockey games played at football stadiums. The fact they have to tack on the "indoor" shows how meaningless it really was.
 
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But plenty of good chances? I don't think so. Having watched UW many times this season, they were off their game, not connecting on passes, not getting shots. They only got 20 shots on Muse, many of which weren't that great of opportunities.

That said, they played well enough defensively through two to keep the game within reach, but UW never really threatened. And right when they built a little momentum in the third, they give up a soft, five-hole goal.

Were you sleeping during the second period? Wisconsin was all over BC. The Eagles couldn't clear the zone to save their lives. No great opportunities?? How about the puck going straight towards the awaiting Badger at the left post that Sneep deflected away in the nick of time. SOG's aren't the only barometer of how a team is pressuring. Between deflections, blocks, and shots gone wide, Wisconsin had plenty of opportunity to change the game in that second period... with no assistance from their own fans. Usually when a team is pressuring like they were, the fans tend to get excited and into the game urging them on to tie it up. Apparently, the Badger faithful would rather wait until they actually tie it to lend any support. Or maybe they were assuming that a goal was imminent so didn't see the need to pump up the boys. Lame.
 
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My first FF, and a few observations from that perspective, from someone who's favorite teams didn't make it to Detroit and who liked the winner least of the 4 schools there:

1. Venue could have been made at least somewhat better, organizers did a poor job there. The curtain above the risers should have been much higher, with other curtaining perhaps added as well, to keep some of the crowd noise in the competition area instead of dispersing it into the empty unused stadium. I realize that the placement of the video screen in Ford Field provides some restriction on how big a curtain could be. But, maybe unwittingly, the organizers sure did build a dead, no-atmosphere building.

2. No building could have made this FF good when no game was competitive. Having seen 3 of the 4 teams several teams during the regular season (but not RIT till regionals), I felt that UW, Miami, and BC were close on talent and any of the 3 could have won a tourney like this--but in no game did two teams both show up to play. Props to York and BC for doing so on both nights, even though I'm definitely not a fan. Does Boston skate in slush more frequently than the others?--they surely adapted to it the best.

3. Muffled noise notwithstanding, these were painfully dead crowds, especially of team supporters. I sure did expect the enthusiasm I've seen from UW supporters at road games I've seen them at in CCHA-WCHA venues, but they were pretty dull. BC crowd was likewise a monumental bore, particularly when their team showed so well all weekend. Miami didn't travel well for a team only 250 miles away, perhaps the program's hockey success is too new for the alums to embrace. Ohio is not a hockey base, and I can say that having grown up in that south-of-the-border state. But I sure am a bigger fan of RIT than I was a month ago. They earned their way here by knocking out my favorite team, Denver, which chose not to play team hockey or enthusiastic hockey in their regional and lost to a team that outhustled and outthought them. Props to the RIT Tigers (but they were overmatched in the FF and reality returned with a thud). But, especially, props to their GREAT FANS, who were my personal weekend highlight--both in the enthusiasm they brought (particularly in coming back Saturday after the bad game on Thursday, having a great time in the final, and trying to inject enthusiasm into the dead crowd) and also in getting to meet several of you individually--nice folks.

4. I think a big-venue setting COULD work for a FF, and I still think that it could have done so in Detroit. (Bring the risers right down to rinkside, put a higher angle on them so all seats behind the front few rows aren't obstructed view, bring the ice surface as close to one "long side" of the field as possible.) The fact that 38,000 seats were sold for the final says there is a future reason to try and make this work. But this year's attempt gets no better than a C-plus. At least, however, I didn't have to listen to the ponderous Thorne and anal retentive Melrose try and call the college game about which they are clearly clueless. (But, at least ESPN is finally de-Nortonizing their once-a-year foray into college hockey, that would qualify as addition by subtraction.)

5. And, Detroit as a venue WAS a good time, in spite of all the national slant about what a hellhole it is. (And there are spots in Detroit that meet that description...ditto Boston, NYC, Washington, Chicago, Cleveland, Denver, ad infinitum.) Downtown bars, restaurants, casinos were fun and the people hospitable, and the museum/culture district had some great hidden pearls to discover. Now, if only Detroit can rise above the filthy and moronic politics of the past fifty years that have done their darnedest to send a once-great city toward complete ruin...

Congrats (reluctantly), Boston. But, please, no more titles for your teams for many years to come, so we can have a break in the nonstop gushing factor from nearly ESPN. Definitely gag-a-maggot in its frequency and decibel level.
 
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