World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

[Jimjamesak]

But Jim is right. The coach's ability to pick a team is severely hampered by the CBA and the budget, because many players get paid their salary whether they make the team or not. Which is why the USWNT "ages" out every so many years and doesn't perform as well. Look at Abby Wambach's final year. She never should have been on that team. Another reason why this whole equal pay thing with soccer is complete BS filled with numerous lies from the players.

And their CBA has tons of limitations on new players being called in:

There’s a limit on how many non-contract players can be called into a camp.

There’s a limit on how many camps a non-contract player can be in before they have to be offered a contract.

The only way for a player to be offered a contract is if another player loses theirs.

A contract player can only be taken off contract with cause and they have to be given severance pay.

​​​​​​​Kep, I’ve said it a thousand times: Do some research before you spout off.

 

[Kepler]

Kep, I’ve said it a thousand times: Do some research before you spout off.

The point is not whether the women are America's Team or Satan's Hussies. It's that you hate them with the fire of a thousand burning suns. My god, this thread is named for your anger at them.

I just wonder at it -- impressed, and a little frightened. If you put the same energy into sex you'd have more kids than Genghis by now.

 

[Jimjamesak]

For some contrast, when Gianluca Busio made his appearance in the Gold Cup against Haiti he was the 44th player to receive their first cap under Berhalter.

And Berhalter was hired in 2019.

The USWNT hasn’t even had 44 different players called into a camp in that time.

 

[Jimjamesak]

The point is not whether the women are America's Team or Satan's Hussies. It's that you hate them with the fire of a thousand burning suns. My god, this thread is named for your anger at them.

I just wonder at it -- impressed, and a little frightened. If you put the same energy into sex you'd have more kids than Genghis by now.

Contrary to your beliefs, I don’t actually hate them. I just hate the BS they pull to line their pockets and suppress the opportunity for hundreds of talented women.

It more feels like you’re threatened by me poking holes in the “Our Brave Gals” narrative. I point out facts and all you can respond with “man you hate them, give it up.”

For someone who despises manufactured stories you sure do a lot of defending of this particular manufactured story.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Contrary to your beliefs, I don’t actually hate them. I just hate the BS they pull to line their pockets and suppress the opportunity for hundreds of talented women.

This is exactly how I feel. So, I guess Kep is going to hate me next. (I'm already a pariah in my family because of my criticism of the USWNT BS campaign they've been pushing ... even after the judge told them to take a flying you know what.)

 

[Kepler]

Contrary to your beliefs, I don’t actually hate them. I just hate the BS they pull to line their pockets and suppress the opportunity for hundreds of talented women.

It more feels like you’re threatened by me poking holes in the “Our Brave Gals” narrative. I point out facts and all you can respond with “man you hate them, give it up.”

For someone who despises manufactured stories you sure do a lot of defending of this particular manufactured story.

I have never defended the narrative. I have merely done the Nelson point and ha-ha that you get so torqued by it. When ESPN runs their hagiography of the women I roll my eyes because all American athletes are so pumped full of dollars nobody else on the planet ever has a shot.

American "amateur" athletes are the ultimate rich, well-fed, well-rested kid with three tutors and a nanny who does his laundry who aces the SAT. Yes, congratulations, given all the advantages and competing against poor, hungry, tired, underserved, overworked kids, you did great. Here's your little medal. I hate that crap and that's why with very few exceptions I root against every American. So don't tell me I'm defending the women's team, I have no fucks to give about them.

I'm just curious about the depth and fire of your anger at them, like I am about the depth and fire of Handy's flyover bumpkins' envy/hate of coasts which have never slighted them because they have been busy doing real things.

I enjoy passion. Neither of you are boring, so I like to set the stage for you each to perform.

No doubt others do the same with me. We are all just monkeys dancing.

 

[Jimjamesak]

I have never defended the narrative. I have merely done the Nelson point and ha-ha that you get so torqued by it. When ESPN runs their hagiography of the women I roll my eyes because all American athletes are so pumped full of dollars nobody else on the planet ever has a shot.

American "amateur" athletes are the ultimate rich, well-fed, well-rested kid with three tutors and a nanny who does his laundry who aces the SAT. Yes, congratulations, given all the advantages and competing against poor, hungry, tired, underserved, overworked kids, you did great. Here's your little medal. I hate that crap and that's why with very few exceptions I root against every American. So don't tell me I'm defending the women's team, I have no fucks to give about them.

I'm just curious about the depth and fire of your anger at them, like I am about the depth and fire of Handy's flyover bumpkins' envy/hate of coasts which have never slighted them because they have been busy doing real things.

I enjoy passion. Neither of you are boring, so I like to set the stage for you each to perform.

No doubt others do the same with me. We are all just monkeys dancing.

You do defend them though Kep, you were all over them during the 2019 World Cup. I list factual reasons as to why their narrative is BS and all you can respond with is comments on my “anger and hatred” for them and make jokes about my “sexual frustration” with them.

Why is it I think that your comments are nothing more than projection for your own sexual frustrations? Are you compelled to make snide comments because I attacked the aura of the Purple Haired Goddess who won’t touch your peepee?

 

[Slap Shot]

American "amateur" athletes are the ultimate rich, well-fed, well-rested kid with three tutors and a nanny who does his laundry who aces the SAT. Yes, congratulations, given all the advantages and competing against poor, hungry, tired, underserved, overworked kids, you did great. Here's your little medal. I hate that crap and that's why with very few exceptions I root against every American.

Whatever floats your boat. America is by far not the only country with many of the same, never mind this is not remotely close to being the truth across the board. For every Michael Phelps there's a shot putter, a skeet shooter and a kayaker no one has ever heard of outside his or her home town. For goodness sake the gold medalist from AK in swimming is a prime example. This stance is as insipid as you claiming college athletes aren't also legitimate students. This is not specific to that necessarily but..

https://psmag.com/social-justice/nat...s-sports-74167

Over 180,000 NCAA athletes compete in a Division III sport, a grueling endeavor for which athletic-based financial aid is literally non-existent, and lucrative professional careers are only marginally more frequent. Another 60,000 are part of the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA), and 14,000 are members of an ultimate Frisbee team that competes in the USA Ultimate college division. The National Adult Baseball Association and the Men’s Senior Baseball League boast a combined 70,000 members; the U.S. Tennis Association leagues alone have more than 300,000. This summer a group of amateur teams will take on Major League Soccer squads in the U.S. Open Cup. Their players will be among the 250,000 who make up the U.S. Adult Soccer Association.

These competitors—largely anonymous, and mostly unsponsored—repeatedly put their short- or medium-term happiness in the hands of their athletic performance. Competing will almost certainly never become their jobs, but their athletic commitments feel too important to be called hobbies.

Amateur events lack certain features—chiefly, the best in the world going head to head—but they present the most representative snapshot of American athletics. As I found out on a one-week tour of the American amateur sports scene, these competitions are happening all around us, all the time, and they all have something unique to offer.

The clothing is the first sign that many of the 200 players have crossed paths before. Yale. Swarthmore. Penn. Dartmouth. They’re all here because of college squash.

Katie Giovinazzo’s face lights up when she reveals she was on the Princeton team that beat Harvard in the finals of the 2009 National Championship. Ben Hoefs, who took home the men’s 5.5 division title for the second straight year (squash skills are rated on a one to six scale), emits a similar glow when talking about his days as a player for George Washington.

It’s impossible to tell how many people have ever journeyed to the Long Island town of North Hempstead for a sporting event, but my guess is that a sizable chunk of them are packed inside the Herricks High School gym for the 2014 Long Island Winter Open. The Open is the first of five annual martial arts tournaments on the N.Y. Tournaments Circuit, and nearly 400 competitors of all ages and skill levels have made their way here. Some were drawn by the modest prize money (about one Bitcoin for a handful of Grand Champions to share—or $800 for those still using the archaic dollar system) or the chance to improve their official N.Y. Tournaments ratings, but most are here for the opportunity to compete.

As a college freshman my responsibilities with the school newspaper made me a regular at sparsely populated Division III women's soccer games, and I still remember crowds. Sitting among a group in which 15 out of 20 fans are parents can be an excruciating experience. They rise and fall with every twist, as if their child’s success is the final judgment on the quality of their parenting. Mostly, they just really want their kid to be happy. This produces a lack of generic cheering. It’s mostly gasps, strongly worded statements of encouragement, and courteous applause when it’s all over.

I think there is an answer. A person who exemplifies the necessary camaraderie, intensity, and confidence, as well as the refusal to allow the passage of time to alter any of those things. Perhaps it’s only fitting that my typical American athlete comes from a film as classically American as The Big Lebowski. Yes, we are a nation of Walter Sobchaks, albeit slightly more considerate versions. While we would surely stop short of waving our f-ing guns around, the same cocktail of emotions that underlies such behavior continues to fuel American athletes all over the country.

Yeah some get rich, some have handlers, some have sponsors. The above are realities for the vast majority.

 

[Jimjamesak]

This is exactly how I feel. So, I guess Kep is going to hate me next. (I'm already a pariah in my family because of my criticism of the USWNT BS campaign they've been pushing ... even after the judge told them to take a flying you know what.)

I find it surprising how many people are like this. I’ve noticed it among various soccer discussion places, fans that are just fed up with the WNT right now. It’s not a sizable portion but it is noticeable, though they get drowned out by the WoSo stans and the Conservative Fucktards with their hateboners.

 

[Kepler]

Yeah some get rich, some have handlers, some have sponsors. The above are realities for the vast majority.

I'm not sure if I'm being imprecise or the misunderstanding is willful but this is the second time somebody has thrown the "99% of NC$$ athletes never go on to be professional athletes" canard which has nothing to do with my point.

My point is the athletes we groom to represent the country are given 1000x the support the athletes of most other countries are, and this dulls my enthusiasm for them. I will root for Rocky over Ivan Drago. Every time an athlete from a country with the GDP of Delaware upsets an American, an angel gets its wings.

 

[Slap Shot]

I'm not sure if I'm being imprecise or the misunderstanding is willful but this is the second time somebody has thrown the "99% of NC$$ athletes never go on to be professional athletes" canard which has nothing to do with my point.

My point is the athletes we groom to represent the country are given 1000x the support the athletes of most other countries are, and this dulls my enthusiasm for them. I will root for Rocky over Ivan Drago. Every time an athlete from a country with the GDP of Delaware upsets an American, an angel gets its wings.

You're just deflecting again from the realities of what life is like for most amateur athletes.

[edit] My "99%" quote was unrelated to this and in reference to holding a similarly "wide net casting" thought towards NCAA athletes and how they're supposedly not real students. Most are in fact real students - don't let the prima donnas cloud that fact.

Que sera sera.

 

[Jimjamesak]

You're just deflecting again from the realities of what life is like for most amateur athletes.

[edit] My "99%" quote was unrelated to this and in reference to holding a similarly "wide net casting" thought towards NCAA athletes and how they're supposedly not real students. Most are in fact real students - don't let the prima donnas cloud that fact.

Que sera sera.

Kep also ignores the fact that other countries have either similar programs or even government funded programs for their athletes.

 

[LynahFan]

You're just deflecting again from the realities of what life is like for most amateur athletes.

What does amateur have to do with anything? We're talking about the WNT, as far from amateur as you can get. The fact that they "used to be" amateurs when they were in college? Well, unless there's a pro U-6 league out there that I'm unaware of, *everyone* started out as an amateur - so what?

 

[Jimjamesak]

What does amateur have to do with anything? We're talking about the WNT, as far from amateur as you can get. The fact that they "used to be" amateurs when they were in college? Well, unless there's a pro U-6 league out there that I'm unaware of, *everyone* started out as an amateur - so what?

No, it was from Kep spouting off about how he thinks all American athletes are just spoiled, coddled rich kids.

Which came from me calling out his hypocrisy of saying said things while simultaneously being a USWNT Stan.

 

[MichVandal]

I'm not sure if I'm being imprecise or the misunderstanding is willful but this is the second time somebody has thrown the "99% of NC$$ athletes never go on to be professional athletes" canard which has nothing to do with my point.

My point is the athletes we groom to represent the country are given 1000x the support the athletes of most other countries are, and this dulls my enthusiasm for them. I will root for Rocky over Ivan Drago. Every time an athlete from a country with the GDP of Delaware upsets an American, an angel gets its wings.

How do you contrast that with how countries like China run? Given their proficiency in the judged events, like diving, it's pretty clear that they have the athletes spend their entire lives up to the championship on just whatever they are doing. And given their ages, once done, they move on to the next set of kids. And I sometimes wonder if they have also done that for the team sports.

While I can see the distaste for some of the team sports that are filled with pros, many of the oddball team sports are pro in other countries- so they benefit by that, too.

I'll post my side note to this reply in the Olympic thread. I'm unsure about the whole story about soccer- but if you look at the team make up of the softball team, makes you think there, too (quite a few of them came out of retirement to play- when there's a robust amount of young players in the NCAA)

 

[Jimjamesak]

To get things back on track, I still don’t think the USWNT will lose. They’ll probably rally around whatever they perceive as wronging them (the coach, the press, the Federation, whoever) and squeak things out.

Even if they do lose I really don’t believe much will change. The coach will be blamed and fired (the seeds have already been planted for that), they’ll hire someone else and we’ll see a 41 year old Carli Lloyd starting in 2023.

The only thing that could actually bring change is if Earnie Stewart (the USSF Sporting Director) and Kate Markgraf (the USWNT General Manager) actually have the power they are said to have and can force the WNT players and the business side of the USSF into the necessary changes.

 

[Slap Shot]

What does amateur have to do with anything? We're talking about the WNT, as far from amateur as you can get. The fact that they "used to be" amateurs when they were in college? Well, unless there's a pro U-6 league out there that I'm unaware of, *everyone* started out as an amateur - so what?

Maybe go back and read the posts. : )

 

[Jimjamesak]

USA-Mexico in November will be played in Cincinnati and not Columbus.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Yep. Just booked a hotel a mile away from the stadium at under $200/night, so I am content. This is gonna be a fun weekend =)

I was hoping that Minnesota was gonna be the final destination here for this match, but understand why it went to Cincy. The TQL Stadium website leaves a bit to be desired as they have lots of construction pics/info, but it's as if the place has yet to open.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Say what you will about Berhalter and his tactics, player selection etc. but the US' s- housing form is world class.