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World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

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Spartanforlife4 said:
The first 20 minutes was the US just passing it to Mexico. Not like Mexico was anticipating well and getting into the lane, literally they were trying to make passes through defenders.

After that things started clicking.
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And it’s a positive sign they were able to come back and tie things twice. In the past few years they would’ve crumbled after going down 0-1 (TBF they almost did).
 
The playoff matches to determine the last three teams for the Octagonal Round are set. Quick turnaround as it’s played Saturday and Tuesday.

St. Kitts and Nevis v El Salvador
Haiti v Canada
Panama v Cura?ao

Put up or shut up time for Canada against Haiti, the team that knocked Canada out of the last Gold Cup.
 
Jimjamesak said:
The playoff matches to determine the last three teams for the Octagonal Round are set. Quick turnaround as it’s played Saturday and Tuesday.

St. Kitts and Nevis v El Salvador
Haiti v Canada
Panama v Cura?ao

Put up or shut up time for Canada against Haiti, the team that knocked Canada out of the last Gold Cup.
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Would be cool if St. Kitts pulled off the upset, but not expecting anything.

Technically Cura?ao are the favorites against Panama going by FIFA rankings, but it’s only by two points and two spots.
 
So, for those of us who only follow the USMNT every four years (guilty), which of the guys are:

A: MUST starters
B: Very comfortable starters
C: Start only if a depth disaster happens
 
Kepler said:
So, for those of us who only follow the USMNT every four years (guilty), which of the guys are:

A: MUST starters
B: Very comfortable starters
C: Start only if a depth disaster happens
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My rankings. JJ will be along shortly to call me a moron =)
 
RaceBoarder said:
My rankings. JJ will be along shortly to call me a moron =)
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He does that; ignore it.

Is the roster I posted the real guys or are there others who for whatever reason will be on the 2022 squad but aren't listed here?

Thank you for the response BTW!
 
Kepler said:
He does that; ignore it.

Is the roster I posted the real guys or are there others who for whatever reason will be on the 2022 squad but aren't listed here?

Thank you for the response BTW!
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The guys that are playing during the 4-game stretch here are basically who we will have to start World Cup Qualifying this Fall. So this is basically who we got.
 
Kepler said:
Cool.

Looks like defense is... uh oh.
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Replace "uh oh" with "untested".

Most of those guys haven't faced a "real" match in their careers with the USMNT yet. Remember that the last bubble popped in Nov. 2017. Lots of turnover since then.
 
So why the huge turnover? Or is it huge? My strobe light survey of the men's team was that every WC I would look at the roster and know about half of it from before, and this seemed to persist even as the guys got really, really old. Then this time around I know 4 guys, that's it.

Was there a Boomer Generation that worked its way through the lifecycle and they all dropped off at once? Is this their famous "wasted golden generation" (Bradley, Dempsey, Beasley, Howard, Altidore, maybe Donovan but I guess he was proto like Iggy Pop)?
 
Kepler said:
So why the huge turnover? Or is it huge? My strobe light survey of the men's team was that every WC I would look at the roster and know about half of it from before, and this seemed to persist even as the guys got really, really old. Then this time around I know 4 guys, that's it.

Was there a Boomer Generation that worked its way through the lifecycle and they all dropped off at once? Is this their famous "wasted golden generation" (Bradley, Dempsey, Beasley, Howard, Altidore, maybe Donovan but I guess he was proto like Iggy Pop)?
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The generation that would’ve lead the program at the 2018 World Cup and into now was near non-existent and never replaced the previous generation. Dempsey, Bradley, Howard and plenty of others were still starting and on the sunny side of 30. There was just no talent to come along and challenge/replace them.

If they qualify for 2022 only John Brooks will likely be a player with World Cup experience with maybe Yedlin and Julian Green being outside chance. As far as qualifying goes, I think only Pulisic, Brooks, and Lleget have experience, and Brooks and Lleget were injured and didn’t play much.

The average age of the lineup against Mexico was something like 24 years old.
 
Jimjamesak said:
The generation that would’ve lead the program at the 2018 World Cup and into now was near non-existent and never replaced the previous generation. Dempsey, Bradley, Howard and plenty of others were still starting and on the sunny side of 30. There was just no talent to come along and challenge/replace them.
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Why? I thought the popularity of soccer has only been going up in the US since the 70s. I would think every generation would be better than the prior one.
 
Kepler said:
Why? I thought the popularity of soccer has only been going up in the US since the 70s. I would think every generation would be better than the prior one.
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That generation was coming up during the beginning of the MLS Academy system, a kind of transition period between the previous system and our current one.

Plus, there’s never a straight line of talent growth for any country, there were always be ebbs and flows. Even countries like Brazil and France have valleys. Really, only Germany has been quite consistent over the last 50 years.
 
Jimjamesak said:
That generation was coming up during the beginning of the MLS Academy system, a kind of transition period between the previous system and our current one.

Plus, there’s never a straight line of talent growth for any country, there were always be ebbs and flows. Even countries like Brazil and France have valleys. Really, only Germany has been quite consistent over the last 50 years.
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I would have thought that a huge population base would mean we'd tend to have more steady trend lines.

Though I suppose if you take the subset of Americans who pursue soccer that population may only be as large as a European country.

Is it the competition of football that kills American soccer development? If football were made illegal tomorrow, would US soccer go to the Moon 10-20 years later?
 
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