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World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

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US beats Dominican Republic 4-0, Mexico beats Costa Rica 3-0. US and Mexico both clinch semifinal berths.
 
Canada and Haiti, the Haiti team that had five subs today, tie 0-0.

"Oh, Canada" is not just their national anthem, it's what you say when you watch anything Canada soccer related.
 
El Salvador and Honduras tied 1-1.

Things are still technically up in the air in Group B, but Canada and Honduras could tie and both would move on. Or, if either wins, both are up 4-6 goals in differential, so it would be hard for either El Salvador or Haiti to make it up.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
El Salvador and Honduras tied 1-1.

Things are still technically up in the air in Group B, but Canada and Honduras could tie and both would move on. Or, if either wins, both are up 4-6 goals in differential, so it would be hard for either El Salvador or Haiti to make it up.
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It’s still good news for the US as Honduras and Canada can’t rest starters their next game, both will be fairly desperate to win the group and avoid Mexico (unless the US beats Mexico but the odds on that are fairly long). That plus an extra day of rest will be huge.

Also, don’t underestimate Canada’s ability to fuck this up.
 
US loses to Mexico 1-0, finishes second in the group, will play Honduras or Canada (it’ll likely be Honduras).

It’s funny reading the freakouts on the internet that is so typical of US Soccer fans. “They’re awful, they’re gonna get killed by Honduras.” They lost 1-0, off of a dumb giveaway, to easily the best team in the tournament in a meaningless game.
 
El Salvador beats Haiti 2-1, if Honduras beats Canada by 3 goals or more then ES can advance.

Again, do not underestimate Canada's ability to fuck this up...
 
No VAR may very well keep the US Men out of the Olympics as Honduras scores on a play that goes off a hand.

Fucking CONCACAF.
 
Slap Shot said:
What a joke.
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The Olympics on the Men’s side is just all around frustrating:

It’s a youth tournament
Clubs aren’t required to release players
CONCACAF insists on doing this in March because reasons
CONCACAF also insists on a stupid format

I don’t know what else the USSF could’ve done considering the circumstances. I seen a lot of blame on the coach Jason Kreis, which is fair but it’s also like “who else was realistically available to coach?”
 
The one thing I hate about the US not qualifying for events like the Olympics is the absolute meltdown US Soccer fans have EVERY TIME. "US Soccer is an absolute failure, this an indictment on the whole system! Stewart, Berhalter, MLS, Everyone! Our whole culture sucks! We need accountability!"

Like, it does suck and it's a bit frustrating but let's not blow up the whole system because our D team of MLS depth squad players lost.

Also, I think there's a serious lack of understanding from US fans that countries like Costa Rica and Honduras are capable of producing good quality teams (there's a reason why Honduras has qualified for 4 straight Olympics now, heck they finished 4th in Rio!) and the US doesn't have divine right to waltz through CONCACAF.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Also, I think there's a serious lack of understanding from US fans that countries like Costa Rica and Honduras are capable of producing good quality teams (there's a reason why Honduras has qualified for 4 straight Olympics now, heck they finished 4th in Rio!) and the US doesn't have divine right to waltz through CONCACAF.
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This is fair, though it's also fair to note Honduras has the population of Michigan (Costa Rica is South Carolina). By GDP, Honduras is Omaha, NE and Costa Rica is Huntsville, AL.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
The one thing I hate about the US not qualifying for events like the Olympics is the absolute meltdown US Soccer fans have EVERY TIME. "US Soccer is an absolute failure, this an indictment on the whole system! Stewart, Berhalter, MLS, Everyone! Our whole culture sucks! We need accountability!"

Like, it does suck and it's a bit frustrating but let's not blow up the whole system because our D team of MLS depth squad players lost.

Also, I think there's a serious lack of understanding from US fans that countries like Costa Rica and Honduras are capable of producing good quality teams (there's a reason why Honduras has qualified for 4 straight Olympics now, heck they finished 4th in Rio!) and the US doesn't have divine right to waltz through CONCACAF.
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I'm not that up in arms over the loss, but D team? How many likely starters were left off the roster?
 
Slap Shot said:
I'm not that up in arms over the loss, but D team? How many likely starters were left off the roster?
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Upwards of 20-30.

15 age eligible players played for the regular MNT this week alone (including Pulisic), plus at least 3-4 more that could have played but weren’t released (Weah and McKennie) and a whole host of European based and MLS players that clubs wouldn’t release.

And with more and more players leaving MLS academies to go to Europe it’s a problem that will get worse. Our only saving grace in that aspect is that Canada is being affected by it too and a Canadian runs CONCACAF so may be motivated to change things.
 
Kepler said:
This is fair, though it's also fair to note Honduras has the population of Michigan (Costa Rica is South Carolina). By GDP, Honduras is Omaha, NE and Costa Rica is Huntsville, AL.
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Size and GDP isn’t everything, China and India both suck horribly at soccer. Heck, Argentina has been an economic mess for decades but is still a soccer powerhouse with World Cup success and Olympic medals.

Honduras and Costa Rica (and Jamaica if they ever solve their corruption issues) aren’t going to be consistent world beaters but they can be a consistent pain in the *** capable of grinding out results and pulling upsets, which is valuable and scary in “win and in” tournament settings like Olympic Qualifying. They’re capable of results and we should stop being surprised when they beat us (and also take them seriously).
 
Jimjamesak said:
Upwards of 20-30.

15 age eligible players played for the regular MNT this week alone (including Pulisic), plus at least 3-4 more that could have played but weren’t released (Weah and McKennie) and a whole host of European based and MLS players that clubs wouldn’t release.

And with more and more players leaving MLS academies to go to Europe it’s a problem that will get worse. Our only saving grace in that aspect is that Canada is being affected by it too and a Canadian runs CONCACAF so may be motivated to change things.
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Wow - I had no idea there are that many U23 US players at the top of the talent ladder playing for clubs.
 
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