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World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

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The MLS Playoffs need to hurry up and start because anything involving US Soccer is unreadable at this point. Now I understand what Mexico was going through 2002 to 2010. JFC.
 
Kepler said:
I take it you've seen this. :cool:
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It’s a drop in the bucket at this point, r/mls is unreadable at this point.

For that article, in true Deadspin fashion, a Canadian commenter summed it up nicely:
But c’mon, this is Canada.
I’m Canadian (and have mostly come down from last night’s high, thank you) but since I root for an MLS team and like to talk about soccer online I am basically forcibly immersed in the Discourse surrounding the USMNT’s increasingly frequent embarassing defeats to non-Mexico teams in CONCACAF, so listen to me now and believe me later on when I say that the mindset leading anyone to write this sentence is the entire reason this keeps happening to you, because you consistently overrate your talent, underestimate your regional opponents, and undervalue regional tournaments, so that you can frame losing games like this entirely as a result of your own team’s and federation’s failings rather than, say, other teams being better than you expect.

A team with Christian Pulisic,
against a team with Alphonso Davies,

Weston McKennie,
Mark-Anthony Kaye or Sam Piette or Scott Arfield,

Josh Sargent,
Jonathan David,

and Jordan Morris
and Lucas Cavallini or Junior Hoilett or even ****ing Cyle Larin,

should have no problem dispatching the **** Canadians, let alone getting comprehensively beaten by a 2–0 scoreline that if anything flatters the USMNT.
should really have a more thorough understanding of their opposition and/or a more realistic view of themselves, or else no process changes or management changes will have any effect on whether they get outplayed by a team that actually takes the competition they’re in and the opponents they face seriously.
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Everyone is melting down talking about how the coach is terrible, the leadership at the USSF is corrupt and everything is MLS/SUM conspiracy but no one is saying what should be said: “our players aren’t as good as we think they are, even Pulisic and McKennie, Canada, and other CONCACAF teams, have players just as good, and Canada, desperately trying to make the Hex, played a good game at home and won. Maybe we should take a deep breath and look at this rationally.”
 
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The talent may not be as good as we think but I can't disagree with an argument that the US should not be in this situation and that the Federation is to blame for it.
As it stands....i won't be shocked at missing 2022.
 
First Time said:
The talent may not be as good as we think but I can't disagree with an argument that the US should not be in this situation and that the Federation is to blame for it.
As it stands....i won't be shocked at missing 2022.
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I don’t disagree that the US shouldn’t be in this situation and the Federation is to blame either, but the things that people are complaining about are either largely improving or nearly impossible to fix.

People are still PO’d about 2018 and it’s clouding their judgement. Everyone wants to blow things up and have massive changes, disregarding the fact there’s a new President, GM, and Coach among other changes, because things aren’t improving RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Look, they’re not as good as they used to be and not as good as they (hopefully) will be. Games like these will happen, and yeah they suck, but it doesn’t mean the end is nigh and they won’t qualify for the World Cup.

If they lose to Canada at home in a month then yeah there’s probably reason to be concerned.
 
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I think the bigger thing right now is we aren't seeing improvement from a game to game basis and that rhe style he wants to play isn't suited for the guys we have.
It's all well and good to say we want to generate from the back like City does...but we don't have the players to do that.
Playing that style right now isn't good for us and won't help the guys playing get better so it makes no sense to play it.
 
First Time said:
I think the bigger thing right now is we aren't seeing improvement from a game to game basis and that rhe style he wants to play isn't suited for the guys we have.
It's all well and good to say we want to generate from the back like City does...but we don't have the players to do that.
Playing that style right now isn't good for us and won't help the guys playing get better so it makes no sense to play it.
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I can agree with that.
 
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I do think one point to make that a lot people gloss over is that MLS is doing something else...its giving more Non-americans in CONCACAF a place to improve their game. Costa Rica, Honduras, and Canada have a "quality" league to have players continue their development. There is little doubt that USA needs to be better, but I do think we have to accept that MLS is helping make CONCACAF better too.
 
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First Time said:
I think the bigger thing right now is we aren't seeing improvement from a game to game basis and that rhe style he wants to play isn't suited for the guys we have.
It's all well and good to say we want to generate from the back like City does...but we don't have the players to do that.
Playing that style right now isn't good for us and won't help the guys playing get better so it makes no sense to play it.
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I also think its a difficult thing to implement during international windows. This isn't a club where he gets to work on it with them week to week...its a week here and then a month off where they're getting different training. You have to learn how to deal with that and I don't think Berhalter is doing a great job of that either.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Hats were the original “uniform”, rather than shirts. It eventually morphed into more of a ceremonial thing, receiving one after each game. Now most teams only do it for milestones if they do it at all.
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Is it wrong that in my mind I'm thinking the ceremonial hats of each nation rather than some simple cap? Because that would make for some awesome matches.
 
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No caps for the Greeks?

It was hard to tell the players apart from each other.....
 
Shirtless Guy said:
I also think its a difficult thing to implement during international windows. This isn't a club where he gets to work on it with them week to week...its a week here and then a month off where they're getting different training. You have to learn how to deal with that and I don't think Berhalter is doing a great job of that either.
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Which is why the goal of this team should be to play as simple a game as possible for now. And that is the blame I can put on Berhalter.
 
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*sigh*

Lost 1-0 to Chelsea. mookie, if you can get me a bottle of Rosé, that would be great. Gon be a long season.
 
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