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World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup

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Lots of kvetching about how lame penalties are for deciding matches still tied after extra time. If only that kvetching would be as loud when people are talking to the NHL.

What about this for an idea? Alternating corner kicks. A few rules.

* Coin flip determines who chooses on going first or second, coin flip loser determines which side of the field they are on.

* First corner is taken from the side of the field with benches.

* The team taking the corner kick keeps control of play until such time as the defense would be awarded a goal kick, throw-in, or free kick, or until the defense moves the ball past the center line.
- That is, if the team taking the corner kick earns another corner, or a throw-in or free kick, that then occurs.

* Sudden death. If you lose the flip and the other team scores on their first corner opportunity, tough ****. Learn to handle corners better.

* No subs.

It's not perfect, but it's more of a "decide it the way the game's played" method than shooter vs. goalkeeper.
 
Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup

Lots of kvetching about how lame penalties are for deciding matches still tied after extra time. If only that kvetching would be as loud when people are talking to the NHL.

What about this for an idea? Alternating corner kicks. A few rules.

* Coin flip determines who chooses on going first or second, coin flip loser determines which side of the field they are on.

* First corner is taken from the side of the field with benches.

* The team taking the corner kick keeps control of play until such time as the defense would be awarded a goal kick, throw-in, or free kick, or until the defense moves the ball past the center line.
- That is, if the team taking the corner kick earns another corner, or a throw-in or free kick, that then occurs.

* Sudden death. If you lose the flip and the other team scores on their first corner opportunity, tough ****. Learn to handle corners better.

* No subs.

It's not perfect, but it's more of a "decide it the way the game's played" method than shooter vs. goalkeeper.

I thought I heard there was once a suggestion for taking players off as time goes on. It starts 11-v-11 and goes down to like 5-on-5.
 
Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup

Lots of kvetching about how lame penalties are for deciding matches still tied after extra time. If only that kvetching would be as loud when people are talking to the NHL.

What about this for an idea? Alternating corner kicks. A few rules.

* Coin flip determines who chooses on going first or second, coin flip loser determines which side of the field they are on.

* First corner is taken from the side of the field with benches.

* The team taking the corner kick keeps control of play until such time as the defense would be awarded a goal kick, throw-in, or free kick, or until the defense moves the ball past the center line.
- That is, if the team taking the corner kick earns another corner, or a throw-in or free kick, that then occurs.

* Sudden death. If you lose the flip and the other team scores on their first corner opportunity, tough ****. Learn to handle corners better.

* No subs.

It's not perfect, but it's more of a "decide it the way the game's played" method than shooter vs. goalkeeper.

Not a terrible idea. It's sort of like if football ties were broken with alternating 30-yard field goals, and we decided to propose what the NCAA does.
 
Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup

Lots of kvetching about how lame penalties are for deciding matches still tied after extra time. If only that kvetching would be as loud when people are talking to the NHL.

What about this for an idea? Alternating corner kicks. A few rules.

* Coin flip determines who chooses on going first or second, coin flip loser determines which side of the field they are on.

* First corner is taken from the side of the field with benches.

* The team taking the corner kick keeps control of play until such time as the defense would be awarded a goal kick, throw-in, or free kick, or until the defense moves the ball past the center line.
- That is, if the team taking the corner kick earns another corner, or a throw-in or free kick, that then occurs.

* Sudden death. If you lose the flip and the other team scores on their first corner opportunity, tough ****. Learn to handle corners better.

* No subs.

It's not perfect, but it's more of a "decide it the way the game's played" method than shooter vs. goalkeeper.
I've heard others suggest corners before, and I do agree that it's better. However, I think you'd need to limit the number of players - perhaps 7 on offense and 7+goalie on defense? Otherwise, you'd literally have all 22 players in the box, which isn't really the same as a normal corner kick and would tend to randomize the results too much. If do you limit the number of players, then actually awarding the throw-ins would get strange - if the defense puts the ball out *just* before the midfield line, that would be a lot of field for 15 players to cover. In my opinion, if the defense can manage to get it across the touch line, that's successful defense, too, so the action is over and it's the other team's turn. If it goes out for a corner, of course, that would be re-taken.
 
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Add another ball to the field after each extra-time period. (Note: the same rule could work with hockey overtimes!)
 
Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup

Add another ball to the field after each extra-time period. (Note: the same rule could work with hockey overtimes!)

Just have the ball randomly shoot out into mid-field.... Have Team A with the ball on Team B's doorstep, yet Team B can send a player to get the new ball and walk into that goal all alone...

BRILLIANT! :p
 
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KO is a blowhard, however I'm not sure any of these qualifies as a really good example:

1. Stop imitating European fandom


This is dumb but not really all that blowhardy. The impatience with not having a native tradition just means you don't understand how soccer spread originally through the rest of the world. It has always been about imitation coupled with local adjustment.

2. Groom a great American soccer announcer

Leave it to the media to think the media matters. Nobody gives a shit about the fool holding the mic, Keith. Just gives us competent announcers; right now, that comes with a Brit accent. The kind of mouthbreather who won't watch just because of that won't watch anyway.

3. Stop being shitheads to new and casual fans

Completely reasonable and a serious issue. Soccer Hipster is a problem, but happily Soccer Bubbleboob Bandwagon Blonde doesn't care and will attract 25x more fans than SH will repel.

4. Remember it's just a sport, not some mystical experience

Have this argument with Bob Costas and George Will, not us. Again, this is a sportshack jocksniffer problem and nobody else cares.

5. Stop imitating European team naming conventions

Meh. FC Ithaca is fine. Real Ithaca is dumb.

6. Have as little to do with FIFA as possible

Can't think of a more salubrious suggestion.

7. Use video games to grow youth participation

Whatever; I'm not sure The Kids even play video games anymore. This is a 50-year old trying to be hip and looking like John McCain's zombie walk. Not blowhardy, just sad.
 
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KO is a blowhard, however I'm not sure any of these qualifies as a really good example:
7. Use video games to grow youth participation

Whatever; I'm not sure The Kids even play video games anymore. This is a 50-year old trying to be hip and looking like John McCain's zombie walk. Not blowhardy, just sad.

Like I said in the other thread, FIFA is one of the top video games among college and high school students. At MSU, and I would assume many other places in the country, FIFA introduced soccer to a lot of people and allowed them to be knowledgeable about the top teams and players. There's a good portion that have even started following some EPL teams because of the game.

Now, I don't know if video games can cause the team to actually improve, but I know that it has somewhat helped the amount of attention soccer gets within America. Not sure if that will translate to MLS though. People only play with international teams or EPL/La Liga/Bundesliga because those are the best rated teams. So while people know a lot about other domestic leagues they still don't care about how the Crew or Red Bulls are doing.
 
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I actually agree with him on all seven points, especially the attempts to adopt the European traditions.

That's one of the things I love about baseball. America, Japan, Korea, and Latin America all have distinct cultures.

There is something to be said about how disingenuous it is to try to flat out copycat other cultures instead of making/building off of our own. I think there's a mix of both to be found all over America (people mimicking what they see in Europe/Latin America vs. people just being themselves), but I'd like to think we're slowly migrating closer towards the latter.

I will certainly concede that MLS does kind of brand itself towards poseurs with the names of some of the teams. The gratuitous "FC" stuff isn't too bad (although it is silly), but Real, Sporting and Chivas are all patently absurd. Almost on the level of affecting a mock British accent while you're in the stands.

In other words:
5. Stop imitating European team naming conventions

Meh. FC Ithaca is fine. Real Ithaca is dumb.
... except that in my book, both are dumb. Just that one is insanely stupid while the other is just kind of out of place.
 
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During my lunch break, I was looking at the MLS wikipedia page and was starting to look at the geography of the conferences. With 10 eastern teams, 9 western teams and 4 soon-to-be expansion teams that are all pretty much on the Atlantic coast, I've got to assume that (ugh) Sporting KC, (slightly ugh) Houston Dynamo and (ugh... but only for it's location) Chicago Fire are all due to be shipped out west, right?
 
During my lunch break, I was looking at the MLS wikipedia page and was starting to look at the geography of the conferences. With 10 eastern teams, 9 western teams and 4 soon-to-be expansion teams that are all pretty much on the Atlantic coast, I've got to assume that (ugh) Sporting KC, (slightly ugh) Houston Dynamo and (ugh... but only for it's location) Chicago Fire are all due to be shipped out west, right?
Most likely, it depends on where the last expansion lies. They could also go to a 3 Division setup as well.

Houston and KC are almost certain to go west. Which sucks because it'll make the Western Conference even more competitive.
 
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I was going to ask how Chivas USA is still a thing, but I see they're re-branding in 2015.
 
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I was going to ask how Chivas USA is still a thing, but I see they're re-branding in 2015.

Any word on what that re-branding is going to look like? I guess it'd be a little surprising to see what that looks like before their season ends, but you would think that they've already done most of the planning for it.
 
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Any word on what that re-branding is going to look like? I guess it'd be a little surprising to see what that looks like before their season ends, but you would think that they've already done most of the planning for it.

Kind of hard to expect any announcement on rebranding while the team is still owned by MLS, dont you think?
 
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Add another ball to the field after each extra-time period.

Give the soccer referee a hockey stick and let him randomly (ala Milan Lucic) "cup check" players during extra time.
The first team to have a guy to not go down (to not dive and flail) wins.
 
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I'm excited to see where this next cycle takes the USA. It will be a busy four years (hopefully):
2015 Gold Cup
2016 Copa America
2016 Olympics w/U23 (hopefully)
2016 Start of World Cup Qualifying
2017 Gold Cup
2017 Confederations Cup (hopefully)
 
Any word on what that re-branding is going to look like? I guess it'd be a little surprising to see what that looks like before their season ends, but you would think that they've already done most of the planning for it.
Need to find a new owner for the team first. Probably don't expect anything there until the All Star Game. Things are going slow in MLS business because The Don has been in cancer treatment.
 
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Any word on what that re-branding is going to look like? I guess it'd be a little surprising to see what that looks like before their season ends, but you would think that they've already done most of the planning for it.

It was just a single sentence on Wikipedia, so I have no idea what it would be.

I'm excited to see where this next cycle takes the USA. It will be a busy four years (hopefully):
2015 Gold Cup
2016 Copa America
2016 Olympics w/U23 (hopefully)
2016 Start of World Cup Qualifying
2017 Gold Cup
2017 Confederations Cup (hopefully)

Win the Gold Cup in 2015 and the Confed Cup is locked up. Copa America is going to be incredible.

As for Olympic qualifying, our U20 team finished last in their group at the U-20 World Cup. However, in CONCACAF qualifying we finished 2nd to Mexico. Assuming it's most of the same team, that means we can actually get into the Olympics with the 2 spots CONCACAF is given.
 
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