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World Soccer XXIV: The Road to Rio

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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I'm not sure if it has ever been done this way? Generally, FIFA takes the top 7 teams (using various different methods) along with the hosts to create the first pod. After that, the pods have generally been broken up by region.

For example, say qualifications goes as follows...

UEFA - 5 in the Top 7 + 8 additional teams
CONMEBOL - 2 in the Top 7 + Brazil + 3 additional Teams
CONCACAF - 4 qualifying teams
OFC - 0 qualifying teams
CAF - 5 Qualifying Teams
AFC - 4 Qualifying Teams

Pod A: Top 7 Teams + Brazil
Pod B: CONMEBOL (3 teams) + CAF (5 teams)
Pod C: UEFA (8 teams)
Pod D: CONCACAF (4 teams) + AFC (4 teams)

Obviously, depending on the makeup of the qualifying teams, those pods could shift (and really, there is no real difference whether you are in Pod B, C, or D).

They won't rank the 32 teams by their FIFA rank* and then split them into pods accordingly. At least, they haven't in any of the past few World Cup draws.

* They will do this to determine the top 7, or at least it is presumed that they will do this to determine the top 7.
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This can change, but currently the top 7 is 4 UEFA teams (Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium) and 3 CONMEBOL teams (Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay). I wonder what will happen if UEFA is 4 in the top 7 plus 9 additional teams.
 
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OK, so, NBC's coverage of the Premier League has been pretty good so far. One complaint I've heard from a friend who regularly works Saturdays, and that's becoming an issue for me this weekend with the Jewish holiday tomorrow, is that, while I can use the NBC game finder to find out, for example, that tomorrow's Fulham match is on my cable in HD on channel 393, my program guide doesn't actually have the games listed. This means that if I'm not watching live, I can't program my DVR to record the match, but, rather, have to record a six-hour block of "data not found" and then fast forward through the stuff I don't want. (TWC eliminated the ability to create a manual recording a few years ago, for some inexplicable reason.) Does anyone know who I should contact to complain about this? For one, is it different on other cable carriers (i.e. this is yet another example of TWC being incompetent), or is it the same everywhere (i.e., NBC isn't providing them with the data they need)?
 
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I get the NBC out of Syracuse and I won't be able to watch Everton-Chelsea because they are broadcasting ACC football instead of the EPL game.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
I get the NBC out of Syracuse and I won't be able to watch Everton-Chelsea because they are broadcasting ACC football instead of the EPL game.
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Well it appears you have the internet, and I think the NBC Sports online coverage of the EPL is free, or at the very least you just need to sign up, so just watch it on your laptop.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Well it appears you have the internet, and I think the NBC Sports online coverage of the EPL is free, or at the very least you just need to sign up, so just watch it on your laptop.
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Unfortunately, TWC doesn't provide NBC online coverage. (They were slow with ESPN3 for years, so it's not uncommon for them to be behind.)
 
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jmh said:
OK, so, NBC's coverage of the Premier League has been pretty good so far. One complaint I've heard from a friend who regularly works Saturdays, and that's becoming an issue for me this weekend with the Jewish holiday tomorrow, is that, while I can use the NBC game finder to find out, for example, that tomorrow's Fulham match is on my cable in HD on channel 393, my program guide doesn't actually have the games listed. This means that if I'm not watching live, I can't program my DVR to record the match, but, rather, have to record a six-hour block of "data not found" and then fast forward through the stuff I don't want. (TWC eliminated the ability to create a manual recording a few years ago, for some inexplicable reason.) Does anyone know who I should contact to complain about this? For one, is it different on other cable carriers (i.e. this is yet another example of TWC being incompetent), or is it the same everywhere (i.e., NBC isn't providing them with the data they need)?
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Definitely TWC. I have had the channel listings for Saturday's matches since Tuesday (DirecTV)
 
Re: World Soccer XXIV: The Road to Rio

jmh said:
This can change, but currently the top 7 is 4 UEFA teams (Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium) and 3 CONMEBOL teams (Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay). I wonder what will happen if UEFA is 4 in the top 7 plus 9 additional teams.
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That was just a hypothetical. I used the current top 7 in the rest of my hypotheticals. My main point was that they don't seed teams 1-32.

My guess as to what FIFA will do if UEFA only occupies 4 of the seeded positions (especially if 1 of those is Belgium), will be that they will use a previous World Cup performance + FIFA Ranking calculation similar to the 2002 or 2006 World Cups.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
That was just a hypothetical. I used the current top 7 in the rest of my hypotheticals. My main point was that they don't seed teams 1-32.

My guess as to what FIFA will do if UEFA only occupies 4 of the seeded positions (especially if 1 of those is Belgium), will be that they will use a previous World Cup performance + FIFA Ranking calculation similar to the 2002 or 2006 World Cups.
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You think it would be similar to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup_seeding
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
You think it would be similar to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup_seeding
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Probably. 1998 & 2002 used the past 3 World Cup performances for the calculation. 2006 used the last 2. They all used an average of the previous 2 December and the current November FIFA Rankings. My guess is, they will use something along these lines IF the FIFA Rankings do not come out as they hope (i.e. 5-6 UEFA (not including Belgium) and Argentina in the Top 7).
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Probably. 1998 & 2002 used the past 3 World Cup performances for the calculation. 2006 used the last 2. They all used an average of the previous 2 December and the current November FIFA Rankings. My guess is, they will use something along these lines IF the FIFA Rankings do not come out as they hope (i.e. 5-6 UEFA (not including Belgium) and Argentina in the Top 7).
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We shall see, its really too bad they don't officially make these decisions before the results are in.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
We shall see, its really too bad they don't officially make these decisions before the results are in.
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It's a disgrace that they don't. But, it is what it is.

Here would be the seedings under the past 3 different formulations

2010 World Cup Seeding Formula (Current FIFA Rankings):
1. Brazil (host - #8 in actual order)
2. Spain
3. Argentina
4. Germany
5. Italy
6. Colombia
7. Belgium
8. Uruguay

Using the 2006 Seeding Formula (last 2 world cups + avg of 3 FIFA Rankings*)
1. Brazil (Host - #6 in actual order)
2. Germany
3. Spain
4. Argentina
5. Netherlands
6. Portugal
7. Italy
8. England

(Just Out: #9 Uruguay, #10 Switzerland, #11 Mexico, #12 Ivory Coast, #13 France, #14 Croatia, #15 Ghana, #16 Chile, #17 Greece, #18 Paraguay, #19 USA)

Using the 1998-2002 Seedings Formula (last 3 world cups + avg of 3 FIFA Rankings*)
1. Brazil (Host - #4 in actual order)
2. Germany
3. Spain
4. Argentina
5. England
6. Italy
7. Portugal
8. Netherlands

(Just out: #9 Uruguay, #10 Mexico, #11 Switzerland, #12 Croatia, #13 France, #14 Ivory Coast, #15 USA, #16 Japan, #17 Sweden, #18 Russia)

In other words, under either the 1998-2002 formula or the 2006 formula the same 8 teams are seeded (and a FIFA approved 6/2 UEFA/CONMEBOL split). Of course, this also assumes that all of these teams make the World Cup.

* When I averaged the past 3 FIFA Rankings, I used the Dec. '11, Dec. 12, and the current rankings of Sept. '13. Obviously, there may be some slight changes between the Sept. '13 rankings and the Nov. '13 rankings that would be used.
 
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Just for fun, if they were to make a 4th different formulation of an average of the past World Cup and the Current FIFA rankings, here would be the seeds
1. Brazil (#6 in actual order)
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. Argentina
5. Netherlands
6. Uruguay
7. Portugal
8. USA

(Just out: #9 Chile, #10 Italy, #11 England, #12 Ghana)

Of course, no way in the world they do that. Only 4 UEFA teams plus the USA!

What about just an average of the past 3 FIFA Rankings?
1. Brazil (#10 in actual order)
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. Argentina
5. Italy
6. Netherlands
7. Portugal
8. Uruguay

(Just Out: #9 England, #10 Croatia, #11 Russia, #12 Greece)

This just might work for FIFA. You get a 5/3 split between UEFA and CONMEBOL. Would that be okay for FIFA? Maybe.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
What about just an average of the past 3 FIFA Rankings?
1. Brazil (#10 in actual order)
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. Argentina
5. Italy
6. Netherlands
7. Portugal
8. Uruguay

(Just Out: #9 England, #10 Croatia, #11 Russia, #12 Greece)

This just might work for FIFA. You get a 5/3 split between UEFA and CONMEBOL. Would that be okay for FIFA? Maybe.
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That's a pretty good set of seeds that balances both current form and recent World Cup success. I don't buy Colombia as a seed, and I'm iffy on Belgium.
 
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Craig P. said:
That's a pretty good set of seeds that balances both current form and recent World Cup success. I don't buy Colombia as a seed, and I'm iffy on Belgium.
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I completely agree about Colombia. It would be weird seeing a team get seeded after missing the previous 3 World Cups. The same largely applies to Belgium, although they did manage to make the '02 Cup.

My guess is that FIFA is crossing their fingers that the right results happen to get the "proper" teams in the top 7 of the FIFA Rankings. That way, they can save face and continue to use the model from the previous World Cup. However, there is no doubt in my mind that if the final rankings end up like the current rankings, that FIFA will opt for either the 2006 formula, or the average of the past 3 FIFA Rankings formula (assuming it gets the "right" results).
 
Re: World Soccer XXIV: The Road to Rio

Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I completely agree about Colombia. It would be weird seeing a team get seeded after missing the previous 3 World Cups. The same largely applies to Belgium, although they did manage to make the '02 Cup.

My guess is that FIFA is crossing their fingers that the right results happen to get the "proper" teams in the top 7 of the FIFA Rankings. That way, they can save face and continue to use the model from the previous World Cup. However, there is no doubt in my mind that if the final rankings end up like the current rankings, that FIFA will opt for either the 2006 formula, or the average of the past 3 FIFA Rankings formula (assuming it gets the "right" results).
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Im sure they are and I'm pretty sure what they want is a 5/3 split to make the pots nice and simple. Belgium and Colombia certainly are screwing things up as far as seeds go. The other important thing for seeding is what are the final 32 teams to actually qualify. That makes a pretty big difference in rankings depending on who you count as in and out versus the 10 qualifiers and the 49 maybes still in the hunt.
 
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In other news, I always thought it made sense to seed 2 pots since 16 make it out of the group stage it only makes sense to have the top 16 be spread evenly throughout the groups but that would make the draw more complicated.

Although if you used my rankings based on the 1998 style you get this:

Pot A (Top 7+ Host)
Brazil
Germany
Spain
Argentina
Netherlands
England
Portugal
Italy

Pot B (8-15 excluding Brazil)
Uruguay
Japan
Ghana
United States
Switzerland
Chile
South Korea
Ivory Coast

Pot C (Leftover AFC, CAF, CONCACAF)
Australia
Iran
Algeria
Egypt
Burkina Faso
Honduras
Costa Rica
Panama

Pot D (Leftover CONMEBOL, UEFA)
Ecuador
Colombia
Denmark
Greece
Russia
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Norway

Then you just make sure that no more than 2 UEFA and no more than 1 of any confederation in a given group...not too much worse I guess.
You could end up with something like this:
Group A
Brazil
Switzerland
Costa Rica
Belgium

Group B
Netherlands
Chile
Iran
Denmark

Group C
England
United States
Australia
Ecuador

Group D
Spain
South Korea
Burkina Faso
Bosnia-Herzegovina

Group E
Portugal
Ghana
Honduras
Russia

Group F
Argentina
Japan
Egypt
Norway

Group G
Italy
Uruguay
Algeria
Greece

Group H
Germany
Ivory Coast
Panama
Colombia
 
Re: World Soccer XXIV: The Road to Rio

Priceless said:
Definitely TWC. I have had the channel listings for Saturday's matches since Tuesday (DirecTV)
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I'm SHOCKED that TWC is incompetent in some way.
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
That was just a hypothetical. I used the current top 7 in the rest of my hypotheticals. My main point was that they don't seed teams 1-32.
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Gotcha. Sorry if I misrepresented what you were saying.
 
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