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World Soccer XXIV: The Road to Rio

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FreshFish said:
Totally agree that Qatar is not an appropriate host. Also totally agree that moving the timing is nonsense too; far better to move the site instead. Or at least play all the games at night. It makes far more sense to have only night games than to shift the time of year.
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Moving the site says "we screwed up big time and there's no fixing it without going to the nuclear option". (Or, if you prefer, is not an option because all the bribes have already changed hands.) Moving the time of year says "we're still committed to the decision we made that having the World Cup in the Middle East* is a good idea, but we're responsive to concerns about the heat so we're trying to mitigate it as best we can." It has nothing to do with screwing the US or England, it's all about saving face.

* From a "spreading the game" (read: marketing) standpoint, it makes a lot of sense for FIFA to want to hold a World Cup in the Middle East. There are about 180 million people (read: many of them oil-rich potential merchandise buyers) living in the countries on the Arabian peninsula or bordering the Persian Gulf, or, to look at it another way, about the same as the population of Japan and South Korea.
 
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I wouldn't have been mad if the Aussies got it. They handled the Olympics well and have all the requirements to host. I just think the place that pretty much invented the game (England) keeps getting hosed by Platini and his cronies. It shouldn't take more than 60 years to host the tourney. There may be money in Qatar's bid, but they aren't that good at the game and the weather and stadia are too much of a concern. And Jim's right about Fox will flip out if the games get in the way of the NFL playoffs. The nuclear option is the only way to go.
 
MountieBoyOz said:
I wouldn't have been mad if the Aussies got it. They handled the Olympics well and have all the requirements to host. I just think the place that pretty much invented the game (England) keeps getting hosed by Platini and his cronies. It shouldn't take more than 60 years to host the tourney. There may be money in Qatar's bid, but they aren't that good at the game and the weather and stadia are too much of a concern. And Jim's right about Fox will flip out if the games get in the way of the NFL playoffs. The nuclear option is the only way to go.
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Well the best move politically for the US is exactly what Gulati is doing. Playing the wait and see game, lets delay the vote and get more information on the impact, etc.

The biggest thing to remember is that there will be a bid for 2026 and the US has a very good shot at. Remember, no European or Asian country will be able to bid so that takes out a lot of potential bidders. South America will likely not bid because of the movement to have the 2030 Cup in Uruguay and Argentina. It would be a terrible move politically to say "No! Move the 2022 Cup to the US!" Its better to say "well lets try to keep it in Qatar. That's not feasible? Ok somewhere else in Asia then..." Only offer to host it if its last minute.
 
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jmh said:
There are about 180 million people (read: many of them oil-rich potential merchandise buyers) living in the countries on the Arabian peninsula or bordering the Persian Gulf, or, to look at it another way, about the same as the population of Japan and South Korea.
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Who pretty much all already watch the sport religiously.

I spy a country with 315 million people in which the sport is emerging and gaining in popularity with existing infrastructure with some of the most purchasing power in the world that would probably be a better choice.
 
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Red Cloud said:
I spy a country with 315 million people in which the sport is emerging and gaining in popularity with existing infrastructure with some of the most purchasing power in the world that would probably be a better choice.
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I thought China had more people than that... ;)
 
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Hopkinja said:
Muck Furdoch!
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I'd rather he set his sights on Formula1 and Bernie. I think F1 and FIFA are kissin cousins when it comes to corrupt organizations.

Priceless said:
I think one of the requirements is that you have air that isn't toxic. That eliminates China.
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FreshFish said:
I thought China had more people than that... ;)
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A while back the Women's World Cup was supposed to be held in China, but SARS(?) got it moved to the USA on short notice. Rousing success, IIRC.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Who pretty much all already watch the sport religiously.

I spy a country with 315 million people in which the sport is emerging and gaining in popularity with existing infrastructure with some of the most purchasing power in the world that would probably be a better choice.
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True enough, and I'm not saying there aren't also valid reasons to have the World Cup here again. I'm just saying that there are plausible reasons to have it in the Middle East (or, at the very least, to stick with the location that's already been announced) besides "Blatter and Platini want to screw over anyone who speaks English".
 
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jmh said:
True enough, and I'm not saying there aren't also valid reasons to have the World Cup here again. I'm just saying that there are plausible reasons to have it in the Middle East (or, at the very least, to stick with the location that's already been announced) besides "Blatter and Platini want to screw over anyone who speaks English".
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Oh what the heck, hold it in Greece, Cyprus and Turkey.
 
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jmh said:
14 Salvadoran national team players have received lifetime bans for their involvement in match fixing
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Another article I saw said that one of the matches in question was a friendly with the US that the US won 2-1 (the article didn't say where the game was played). I don't quite understand how that game could have been fixed. Isn't that about the result that you'd expect? If the match wasn't fixed, what would the result have been?
 
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CLS said:
Another article I saw said that one of the matches in question was a friendly with the US that the US won 2-1 (the article didn't say where the game was played). I don't quite understand how that game could have been fixed. Isn't that about the result that you'd expect? If the match wasn't fixed, what would the result have been?
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From what I understand, the match-fixing might be subtler than that. It is about delivering a particular result to certain bettors. From what I've read, the bets aren't only on the final score, they also might involve score at halftime, or how early the first goal is scored, or how many goals are scored off set pieces compared to those scored in the run of play, who knows what kind of exotic combinations might be included.
 
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FreshFish said:
From what I understand, the match-fixing might be subtler than that. It is about delivering a particular result to certain bettors. From what I've read, the bets aren't only on the final score, they also might involve score at halftime, or how early the first goal is scored, or how many goals are scored off set pieces compared to those scored in the run of play, who knows what kind of exotic combinations might be included.
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Ah, OK. Makes sense. Thanks.
 
FreshFish said:
From what I understand, the match-fixing might be subtler than that. It is about delivering a particular result to certain bettors. From what I've read, the bets aren't only on the final score, they also might involve score at halftime, or how early the first goal is scored, or how many goals are scored off set pieces compared to those scored in the run of play, who knows what kind of exotic combinations might be included.
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All that is subtle?
 
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