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World Soccer XXIII - "Pay" Up Pompey?

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Bob Gray said:
I read an article recently that said on a per game basis MLS has greater attendance than Serie A in Brazil. This fact probably says something about both leagues.
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interesting... any chance to find that article that would back those numbers up?? It would be kind of nice to see how MLS stacks up against other top level leagues around the world. Clearly we would be well behind the big Euro leagues, but it would be nice to know that we're in the top ten, which is a good target to have.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
interesting... any chance to find that article that would back those numbers up?? It would be kind of nice to see how MLS stacks up against other top level leagues around the world. Clearly we would be well behind the big Euro leagues, but it would be nice to know that we're in the top ten, which is a good target to have.
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according to wikipedia MLS is 8th among pro soccer leagues.
Bundesliga, Premier League, La Liga, Liga MX, Serie A, Eredivisie, Ligue 1
So behind the top leagues in Germany, England, Spain, Mexico, Italy, Netherlands, France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professional_sports_leagues
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
according to wikipedia MLS is 8th among pro soccer leagues.
Bundesliga, Premier League, La Liga, Liga MX, Serie A, Eredivisie, Ligue 1
So behind the top leagues in Germany, England, Spain, Mexico, Italy, Netherlands, France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professional_sports_leagues
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Does that mean its just a matter of time before it turns into competitive salaries to bring the level up there or does the MLS's single entity thing prevent that?

edit: oh, right, nowhere near the same sponsorship and TV money and the rest.
 
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pirate said:
I saw a great measurement this week, it was a +3,+1 model that helps control for home and away games...very important when some teams finish with 3 home games. If I find it again I'll post it.
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Grant Wahl, a soccer columnist at sportsillustrated.cnn.com, uses a similar measure: the baseline is "win at home, tie on the road." If you can do that, you are guaranteed to advance.

So, for Mexico at Azteca so far this cycle, they are -6 (three ties at home means they gave up two points each game). They are +2 on the road (one win, two ties) for a net of -4.

The USA by that measure is also on top of the group at +1 (two home wins = 0, one road tie = 0, one road loss = -1, one road win = +2).

The nice things about this measure is that it helps equalize for different number of games played, and different number of home vs away games.
 
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FreshFish said:
Grant Wahl, a soccer columnist at sportsillustrated.cnn.com, uses a similar measure: the baseline is "win at home, tie on the road." If you can do that, you are guaranteed to advance.

So, for Mexico at Azteca so far this cycle, they are -6 (three ties at home means they gave up two points each game). They are +2 on the road (one win, two ties) for a net of -4.

The USA by that measure is also on top of the group at +1 (two home wins = 0, one road tie = 0, one road loss = -1, one road win = +2).

The nice things about this measure is that it helps equalize for different number of games played, and different number of home vs away games.
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I think that is it. I couldn't re-find the article. It is a good way to line up relative performance
 
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bigmrg74 said:
interesting... any chance to find that article that would back those numbers up?? It would be kind of nice to see how MLS stacks up against other top level leagues around the world. Clearly we would be well behind the big Euro leagues, but it would be nice to know that we're in the top ten, which is a good target to have.
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The article I read was focused on Brazil and issues it's having as the World Cup approaches. So it didn't touch on other leagues and just had a note that the top Brazil league has seen significant attendance declines to the point where it draws less than MLS.
 
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pirate said:
I think that is it. I couldn't re-find the article. It is a good way to line up relative performance
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here is the link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130606/us-jamaica-preview-usmnt/index.html

At that time, Mexico and Jamaica had played 4 games and the other four teams three:

[June 6, 2013]Perhaps more useful at this point are the "win at home, tie on the road" standings, given that the U.S. has only played one home game, while this will be Jamaica's third home game in the Hex. If you win at home and tie on the road, you'll qualify for the World Cup. Here's how each team is faring by that standard:

Costa Rica (-1)

United States (-1)

Panama (-2)

Mexico (-2)

Honduras (-3)

Jamaica (-6)
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As I noted earlier, US is now +1 and Mexico -4. I haven't updated the other four.
 
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By that measure, the updated "standings" would be:

+1 United States
-1 Costa Rica
-4 Honduras
-4 Mexico
-5 Panama
-10 Jamaica

Edit- Some UEFA groups I'm keeping my eye on:

UEFA Group C
+4 Germany
-1 Sweden
-1 Ireland
-3 Austria
-4 Kazakhstan
-10 Faroe Islands

UEFA Group E
+2 Switzerland
-2 Norway
-3 Iceland
-4 Albania
-6 Slovenia
-8 Cyprus
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
By that measure, the updated "standings" would be:

+1 United States
-1 Costa Rica
-4 Honduras
-4 Mexico
-5 Panama
-10 Jamaica
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Thank you!

Confirms what we were "discussing" yesterday. Very tight race to see who gets the third place automatic qualifier slot and who has to survive a play-in home-and-home series with New Zealand.

Key will be Mexico - USA match in Columbus. Also of interest is that the last game in the cycle includes USA at Panama. If USA has already locked up its qualifier for sure, how do they handle that game?

One might think to rest starters (to avoid injury, Panama plays rough!). Also to keep players sitting on yellow cards from picking up another, and to try out people on the bubble....however:

It is also important to look beyond the qualifiers to the World Cup pool selection process. IIRC, the top 8 teams are placed in one bucket so that they then each are placed into pools A - H (so that they don't have two of the top 8 in the same pool). The next 8 teams also are placed in another bucket. Not sure if the final 16 are also split into two buckets of 8 each or are all in a combined bucket.

Anyway, the key for the USA will be to make it into the top 16, in order to get a favorable placement in whatever pool they are drawn into.


Of course, a lot of this speculation is totally moot unless we win in SLC on Tuesday over Honduras.
 
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FreshFish said:
It is also important to look beyond the qualifiers to the World Cup pool selection process. IIRC, the top 8 teams are placed in one bucket so that they then each are placed into pools A - H (so that they don't have two of the top 8 in the same pool). The next 8 teams also are placed in another bucket. Not sure if the final 16 are also split into two buckets of 8 each or are all in a combined bucket.
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Generally what they've done in the past is have the top 7 + Host in a bucket, then have three other buckets consisting of other conferences to prevent two members from the same conference being in the same group (excluding of course UEFA).

For example, in 2010 it went like this

Pot A (Top 7 + Host):
South Africa
Brazil
Spain
Netherlands
Italy
Germany
Argentina
England

Pot B (AFC, CONCACAF, OFC):
Australia
Japan
North Korea
South Korea
Honduras
Mexico
USA
New Zealand

Pot C (CAF, CONMEBOL):
Algeria
Cameroon
Ivory Coast
Ghana
Nigeria
Chile
Paraguay
Uruguay

Pot 4 (UEFA):
Denmark
France
Greece
Portugal
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Switzerland

So, when they drew from Pot C, the first two African sides drawn would go with Brazil and Argentina, while the first South American side would go with South Africa.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tou...91/fwc2010_final_draw_procedure_en_021209.pdf
 
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FreshFish said:
Key will be Mexico - USA match in Columbus.
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The bigger issue for Mexico is to stop dropping points at home. They're winless in three hex matches in the Azteca. The biggest problem for El Tri is that they drew what was, on paper, the easiest game of the round at home against Jamaica.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Generally what they've done in the past is have the top 7 + Host in a bucket, then have three other buckets consisting of other conferences to prevent two members from the same conference being in the same group (excluding of course UEFA).
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ah, yes, research >> memory every time! :)

Thanks.
 
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The US Women finally come to New England and the game is at the same time as game 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals. What luck.
 
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FreshFish said:
Thank you!

Confirms what we were "discussing" yesterday. Very tight race to see who gets the third place automatic qualifier slot and who has to survive a play-in home-and-home series with New Zealand.

Key will be Mexico - USA match in Columbus. Also of interest is that the last game in the cycle includes USA at Panama. If USA has already locked up its qualifier for sure, how do they handle that game?

One might think to rest starters (to avoid injury, Panama plays rough!). Also to keep players sitting on yellow cards from picking up another, and to try out people on the bubble....however:

It is also important to look beyond the qualifiers to the World Cup pool selection process. IIRC, the top 8 teams are placed in one bucket so that they then each are placed into pools A - H (so that they don't have two of the top 8 in the same pool). The next 8 teams also are placed in another bucket. Not sure if the final 16 are also split into two buckets of 8 each or are all in a combined bucket.

Anyway, the key for the USA will be to make it into the top 16, in order to get a favorable placement in whatever pool they are drawn into.


Of course, a lot of this speculation is totally moot unless we win in SLC on Tuesday over Honduras.
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I thought it was Host and top 7 and then the rest was broken up by confederation?
 
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And to take it a step further...USA is currently 28th so it seems near impossible to make top 16 of qualified teams based on current rankings.
 
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