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World Soccer XXIII - "Pay" Up Pompey?

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FreshFish said:
what are your projected final standings after each team finishes all ten of their matches, assuming Jamaica loses every game from here on out?

You only show each team having played six games, not ten. that is where I can't follow you. Your standings are impossible if you are only talking about the first six games, because US plays Honduras and Costa Rica plays Panama, and if you are only projecting the standings after the first six games are completed, you have all four of those teams winning their next game.

You say "it is for all games currently completed" but it is not; US, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Panama have only completed five games, not six.

Jamaica doesn't play another game, and neither does Mexico, until after the other four play one more game first.

so, in your scenario, if jamaica loses its remaining four games, how do the other five teams fare once all ten games have been completed?


BTW, I do agree with you that there are plenty of scenarios in which Mexico could be in big trouble. Three 0-0 games at home is no way to qualify!
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You really don't get it? Jamaica is at the bottom of the table, they haven't looked very good, haven't won a game yet so its quite likely they continue to lose so I ASSUMED Jamaica loses the rest of its games and produced a standings based on those results. The point I'm trying to make is that if Jamaica checks out, Mexico is at a disadvantage. I already conceded that chronologically those standings can never exist. That isn't the point. Basically all the standings show is that Mexico didn't get their 6 points from Jamaica and everyone other than Panama is likely to get 6. This is it, if you can't understand what I did I'm done...and if you can't understand what I did I don't know how I can respect anything you've ever said on this board relating to any other topic because if you can't understand this I don't know how you can have an opinion that involves a logical thought.

EDIT: Look at my standings right now...Jamaica is not currently 0-8-2...I'm assuming they go 0-4-0 after going 0-4-2 through their first 6...
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
You really don't get it? Jamaica is at the bottom of the table, they haven't looked very good, haven't won a game yet so its quite likely they continue to lose so I ASSUMED Jamaica loses the rest of its games and produced a standings based on those results. The point I'm trying to make is that if Jamaica checks out, Mexico is at a disadvantage. I already conceded that chronologically those standings can never exist. That isn't the point. Basically all the standings show is that Mexico didn't get their 6 points from Jamaica and everyone other than Panama is likely to get 6. This is it, if you can't understand what I did I'm done...and if you can't understand what I did I don't know how I can respect anything you've ever said on this board relating to any other topic because if you can't understand this I don't know how you can have an opinion that involves a logical thought.

EDIT: Look at my standings right now...Jamaica is not currently 0-8-2...I'm assuming they go 0-4-0 after going 0-4-2 through their first 6...
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I completely get what you are saying about Jamaica and Mexico's dire prospects. You are getting a little heated here. I'm not asking you about Jamaica or Mexico.


Here are the current standings: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/nccamerica/standings/index.html

USA, CRC, HON, PAN have each only played five games so far. Not six. That is the only thing I am asking about. How did you get from the current standings to your projected standings after six games?
 
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FreshFish said:
I completely get what you are saying about Jamaica and Mexico's dire prospects. You are getting a little heated here. I'm not asking you about Jamaica or Mexico.


Here are the current standings: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/nccamerica/standings/index.html

USA, CRC, HON, PAN have each only played five games so far. Not six. That is the only thing I am asking about. How did you get from the current standings to your projected standings after six games?
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Those aren't current, those are assuming all of the games involving Jamaica resulted in Jamaica losing. That's why the hypothetical standings show Jamaica having EIGHT loses based on the assumption Jamaica doesn't win again. The reason Mexico's results don't change is because they've already played Jamaica twice...

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unofan said:
So...is Donovan hurt? retired? Just curious why he isn't on the roster. Haven't followed this qualifying round as much as I normally do. May try to make it to KC for the Jamaica game, though.
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Donovan took a sabbatical over the winter that carried into spring. Klinsi is butthurt over it.

(In fairness to JK, he may be reacting to the undercurrent in the Straus article that he catered a little too much to Tim Chandler, and swinging the other way to a "Donovan really has to earn it" position.)
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I've gotta side with Shirtless here. I thought it was clear how he formed his theoretical table assuming that all of Jamaica's games would be losses.
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Yeah, it was - and is - perfectly clear.

I still don't see mexico finishing 4th, but would be happy if they did.

My guess is Panama finishes fifth, us and costa rica finish in the money, and Mexico and Honduras battle to avoid the inter continental playoff
 
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unofan said:
Yeah, it was - and is - perfectly clear.

I still don't see mexico finishing 4th, but would be happy if they did.

My guess is Panama finishes fifth, us and costa rica finish in the money, and Mexico and Honduras battle to avoid the inter continental playoff
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I think you've got it right. Hopefully Panama can win a road game somewhere and more than likely the last game of USA vs Panama won't matter for USA and Panama can get a win that hurts Mexico.
 
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The fact that we're on pace to qualify is nice, but I find it rather irksome that the home qualifiers in the Hex are in Denver, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Kansas City and Columbus (and, in the third round, in Tampa, Columbus again, and KC again). What about, you know, the major population centers in the country?
 
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jmh said:
The fact that we're on pace to qualify is nice, but I find it rather irksome that the home qualifiers in the Hex are in Denver, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Kansas City and Columbus (and, in the third round, in Tampa, Columbus again, and KC again). What about, you know, the major population centers in the country?
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The major population centers in the country have large amounts of ethnic minorities that might buy tickets and root for the other side. Most of these games are sold in MLS stadiums to keep them as close to a home field advantage as possible.
 
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I know what the logic is. It still sucks.
 
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jmh said:
I know what the logic is. It still sucks.
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Get more American citizens into your stadiums, and you'll be able to host more USMNT games.

It's pretty much the same reason that the Vikings will be playing in the Gophers' football stadium while they build their new stadium instead of moving to Madison or Green Bay for two years.
 
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jmh said:
The fact that we're on pace to qualify is nice, but I find it rather irksome that the home qualifiers in the Hex are in Denver, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Kansas City and Columbus (and, in the third round, in Tampa, Columbus again, and KC again). What about, you know, the major population centers in the country?
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These cities all have MLS teams with excellent attendance records and soccer-specific stadia. Seattle in particular (though I'll bet that's the last time they host until they get a decent grass field! :rolleyes:)

Though with that logic, Chicago, Philadelphia, NY, and DC also should host some games now and then.
 
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FreshFish said:
These cities all have MLS teams with excellent attendance records and soccer-specific stadia. Seattle in particular (though I'll bet that's the last time they host until they get a decent grass field! :rolleyes:)

Though with that logic, Chicago, Philadelphia, NY, and DC also should host some games now and then.
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Not so much DC based on the SSS criterion, but the others certainly should. (And Chicago did a couple of times during the last cycle, as did DC as is appropriate given that it's the capital. Capitol? I never remember which one it is here.) If you're really worried, offer first crack at tickets to MLS season ticket holders, members of supporters clubs, local youth soccer organizations, etc. You could easily sell out Red Bull Arena with US supporters for a WCQ if you went about the ticket offering the right way.
 
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I read an article recently that said on a per game basis MLS has greater attendance than Serie A in Brazil. This fact probably says something about both leagues.
 
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Doesn't Mexico put itself in this position regularly? Sure seems like it...maybe not this bad this far in but still.
 
FreshFish said:
There are ten games total and he had each team having played six. He also had teams who are playing head-to-head both winning the same game.
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I saw a great measurement this week, it was a +3,+1 model that helps control for home and away games...very important when some teams finish with 3 home games. If I find it again I'll post it.
 
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