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World Soccer XX: I paid Jack Warner $1M for the right to start this thread
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Columbus joins New England in the 7000 club by pulling in a paltry 7695 tonight.
Columbus joins New England in the 7000 club by pulling in a paltry 7695 tonight.
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Watch the highlights of it, I've worked with the referee from that match. He was making his MLS debut, as were 2-3 other referees this weekend.
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Saw some of it live. He had an interesting second yellow situation to deal with around the 70th minute.
Saw some of it live. He had an interesting second yellow situation to deal with around the 70th minute.
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Yeah saw that but things like that can happen.
One of thngs that will be real interesting about MLS refereeing is that in the next 1-4 years we'll be seeing a real turnover of referees as many of the guys are aging and retiring and newer, younger referees are being worked in.
Yeah saw that but things like that can happen.
One of thngs that will be real interesting about MLS refereeing is that in the next 1-4 years we'll be seeing a real turnover of referees as many of the guys are aging and retiring and newer, younger referees are being worked in.
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Rumors that Gareth Bale has won the PFA player of the year award, based on I don't know what. Jack Wilshere apparently is the Young Player of the Year.
Rumors that Gareth Bale has won the PFA player of the year award, based on I don't know what. Jack Wilshere apparently is the Young Player of the Year.
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That has got to be the worst foul I've seen in a long time. Give up a penalty on the last kick of the game, when you didn't even have to!
Nice for Liverpool though
That has got to be the worst foul I've seen in a long time. Give up a penalty on the last kick of the game, when you didn't even have to!
Nice for Liverpool though
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Houston 1 - New England 0 FT.
Goal scored by Freeman's hand, he slapped a high rebound off the crossbar into the net.
I say this as someone who has consistently defended officials in England against the likes of TBA: there is not a single MLS official who is qualified to do ANYTHING above U-18 soccer.
Houston 1 - New England 0 FT.
Goal scored by Freeman's hand, he slapped a high rebound off the crossbar into the net.
I say this as someone who has consistently defended officials in England against the likes of TBA: there is not a single MLS official who is qualified to do ANYTHING above U-18 soccer.
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I'm right there with you in your low opinion of USSF referees, but I think that was a pretty tough one to catch. I've only seen the highlights on the MLS site (Dynamo broadcast) though, maybe there's a clearer angle.
I'm right there with you in your low opinion of USSF referees, but I think that was a pretty tough one to catch. I've only seen the highlights on the MLS site (Dynamo broadcast) though, maybe there's a clearer angle.
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I hate having to root for Stoke. (BARF)
Glad the FA could arrange City's trip to the final by suspending Rooney.
I hate having to root for Stoke. (BARF)
Glad the FA could arrange City's trip to the final by suspending Rooney.
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Disagree with people's opinions about USSF referees but that because I am one so I'm kinda biased.
Same thing for me. You can't get a clear look at it from the MLS site view.
Disagree with people's opinions about USSF referees but that because I am one so I'm kinda biased.
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Watching the game live, they showed about 4 minutes later another camera angle, this one from the other side (closer to where the ref was standing actually) that showed the ball coming down and hitting his open palm and going into the net.
Watching the game live, they showed about 4 minutes later another camera angle, this one from the other side (closer to where the ref was standing actually) that showed the ball coming down and hitting his open palm and going into the net.
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Where are all the posts saying what a terrible owner Clark Hunt is?
Where are all the posts saying what a terrible owner Clark Hunt is?
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He's an atrocious owner. That's common sentiment among MLS fans, and I thought by this point it would go without saying. At the same time, his team at least has a soccer specific stadium and was willing to do the legwork required to get a shirt sponsor and sign a DP for the past few seasons.
Where are all the posts saying what a terrible owner Clark Hunt is?
He's an atrocious owner. That's common sentiment among MLS fans, and I thought by this point it would go without saying. At the same time, his team at least has a soccer specific stadium and was willing to do the legwork required to get a shirt sponsor and sign a DP for the past few seasons.
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In the talk about the handball from last night, let's not forget this moment either:
In the talk about the handball from last night, let's not forget this moment either:
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How much of that was his late father's work?
I'm not a big MLS guy, but it seems silly to pin it on the owner when attendance drops by half in a year. The stadium is still in the same place it's been for nine years and the Revs drew numbers until this year. Did ticket prices go up? Is the quality of the team that much worse than last year? They made the playoffs eight straight seasons before missing last year. Or did soccer fans in Eastern Massachusetts suddenly start feeling the effects of the recession three years after everyone else? I really don't know what the cause is, but I'm guessing it's not the guy who has owned the team since its inception.
How much of that was his late father's work?
I'm not a big MLS guy, but it seems silly to pin it on the owner when attendance drops by half in a year. The stadium is still in the same place it's been for nine years and the Revs drew numbers until this year. Did ticket prices go up? Is the quality of the team that much worse than last year? They made the playoffs eight straight seasons before missing last year. Or did soccer fans in Eastern Massachusetts suddenly start feeling the effects of the recession three years after everyone else? I really don't know what the cause is, but I'm guessing it's not the guy who has owned the team since its inception.
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You're quite right, much of it was his father's work. But again, no one is saying he's a good owner.
As for Kraft, no one is claiming he's just became a bad owner this year. He's shown a persistent disinterest in his team, unwilling to do what's needed to move towards getting a better stadium, finding a shirt sponsor, and a whole host of other things that an owner should be doing, content to sit back and let the club give him a little extra money with no effort. If disgust at that approach is finally being seen in the stands, so be it.
I mean, even when they were pretty good back in mid 2000s, they still only pulled in 12-15,000 (with spikes in 2007 and 2008 where they got around 17k.) In 2008, they had a playoff attendance of 5221!
You're quite right, much of it was his father's work. But again, no one is saying he's a good owner.
As for Kraft, no one is claiming he's just became a bad owner this year. He's shown a persistent disinterest in his team, unwilling to do what's needed to move towards getting a better stadium, finding a shirt sponsor, and a whole host of other things that an owner should be doing, content to sit back and let the club give him a little extra money with no effort. If disgust at that approach is finally being seen in the stands, so be it.
I mean, even when they were pretty good back in mid 2000s, they still only pulled in 12-15,000 (with spikes in 2007 and 2008 where they got around 17k.) In 2008, they had a playoff attendance of 5221!
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I don't understand the complaints about a shirt sponsor at all, especially in the context of complaints about Kraft taking "easy money" out of the team. Wouldn't a shirt sponsor be even more easy money? Is this just more Europoseurery where the beefing is about the shirts not looking like those of a "real" team?
I don't understand the complaints about a shirt sponsor at all, especially in the context of complaints about Kraft taking "easy money" out of the team. Wouldn't a shirt sponsor be even more easy money? Is this just more Europoseurery where the beefing is about the shirts not looking like those of a "real" team?
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The problem is that the fans gave up a long time ago and Kraft just kept stringing them along. For years and years it has been "we will be in our own stadium in Boston soon." For years and years it has been "we will sign a DP soon." I think what happened is that every kind of collectively reached a point where they had had enough. Sure, they had made the playoffs for that long string, but the last few of those years ('08 and '09), the league was obviously changing, and the Revs were just plugging away with 10 grinders and Taylor Twellman. That's fine, until Taylor Twellman has to retire. Last year all the word from the front office was "We'll be okay when Twellman comes back," despite the fact that counting on a dude with 19 concussions to come back isn't really a long term plan.
I know a lot of people couched their season ticket renewals and such this past winter on the team doing SOMETHING other than signing 18 year old Africans from tiny countries and drafting the best available Demon Deacon. Signing overage Frenchmen and Eastern Europeans no one has heard of didn't really do it for anyone, I don't think. And it shouldn't have- it's a terrible product right now.
Frankly, the ownership has shown that it gives less than a **** about the team. Why should the fans?
Edit: Also, I failed to mention that they still haven't spent the money from the Clint Dempsey sale to Fulham, unless it went to Tom Brady's extension.
The problem is that the fans gave up a long time ago and Kraft just kept stringing them along. For years and years it has been "we will be in our own stadium in Boston soon." For years and years it has been "we will sign a DP soon." I think what happened is that every kind of collectively reached a point where they had had enough. Sure, they had made the playoffs for that long string, but the last few of those years ('08 and '09), the league was obviously changing, and the Revs were just plugging away with 10 grinders and Taylor Twellman. That's fine, until Taylor Twellman has to retire. Last year all the word from the front office was "We'll be okay when Twellman comes back," despite the fact that counting on a dude with 19 concussions to come back isn't really a long term plan.
I know a lot of people couched their season ticket renewals and such this past winter on the team doing SOMETHING other than signing 18 year old Africans from tiny countries and drafting the best available Demon Deacon. Signing overage Frenchmen and Eastern Europeans no one has heard of didn't really do it for anyone, I don't think. And it shouldn't have- it's a terrible product right now.
Frankly, the ownership has shown that it gives less than a **** about the team. Why should the fans?
Edit: Also, I failed to mention that they still haven't spent the money from the Clint Dempsey sale to Fulham, unless it went to Tom Brady's extension.
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No, it has nothing to do with Europe. It's a way to get attention and revenue for the team and also a way of showing intent and ambition. I mean, there've been 4 expansion teams in the past 3 years that have had no trouble finding a sponsor for their team, pretty big names ones as well. And yet the Revs, in their 16th year of MLS play, haven't found one that's the "right fit" yet. How can that not point to a lack of drive on the part of the owner? It's not like Boston is some backwater either.
No, it has nothing to do with Europe. It's a way to get attention and revenue for the team and also a way of showing intent and ambition. I mean, there've been 4 expansion teams in the past 3 years that have had no trouble finding a sponsor for their team, pretty big names ones as well. And yet the Revs, in their 16th year of MLS play, haven't found one that's the "right fit" yet. How can that not point to a lack of drive on the part of the owner? It's not like Boston is some backwater either.
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