World Soccer XVI: The Sadness

[Drew S.]

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So all german goals were illegitimate and england got robbed a handful of times? haha, that's good.

No, the first one was the only one that wasn't legitimate. In the second and third goals who knows what happens if the ref makes the proper calls. I think that in all of the first three England's defenders were a bit distracted by what had just happened. What really bothers me is that the refs completely blew two obvious calls in Roo being offsides and lamps 'goal' along with the fact that pretty much any marginal call went germany's way. Its one thing if they mix it up a bit but when every marginal call is going one way its pretty ridiculous.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I question your basic understanding of soccer if you think Klose was offsides on the first goal. It was off of a goal kick. (I missed it but it appears to be a goal kick at least). Maybe i'm wrong on that account.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Agreed, But they had leveled it.

There is clearly a need for some sort of a goal judge or something like that.

agreed, if soccer used a goal judge like what they do in Hockey, that would have counted. No way should that goal have been missed.

 

[Priceless]

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Good news for those who bet on Lamps:

Bookmaker William Hill says it will pay a six-figure sum to those gamblers who bet that Lampard would score, even though goal didn't count

 

[DaveStPaul]

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Just got back from a pub here in Hong Kong, packed with England supporters. It was interesting that they weren't THAT worked up over the blown goal call. Obviously they were, to an extent; but I heard a few people saying by the end that they really thought England weren't as good as Germany, by quite a bit. I think it was easier that they lost 4-1, rather than if the 2-1 had stood.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Good news for those who bet on Lamps:

Good PR move for Hill. You kinda know somethings off when the **** bookies are more honest and on the ball than what the FIFA refs are.

 

[WeWantMore]

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I'm fine with an extra official but there is zero and I mean zero chance of video replay. No way, no how. Soccer is unique in how it keeps time (well, not entirely unique but at least among the primary sports within the US). It would necessarily change that.

And I just don't see any scenario in which they change the way time flows for a game.

Give the 4th official access to a television. Keep the clock running if you want to. How long would it have taken to reverse the decision today? 30 seconds?
I don't think adding in video replay necessarily means the clock has to stop. Just treat the time used to view video in the same way as time spent getting injured players off the field is treated now.

With Davies and a healthy Onyewu I'd agree...but don't forget we were missing two of our best players.

Give Ghana some credit.

I'd be more receptive to that argument if we hadn't bossed the game for such a large part of the 2nd half. With Feilhaber slowing down play and distributing the ball, and Edu winning the ball back for us, we were the better team. That's the team that should have been on the field to start.

Give credit to Ghana for taking their chances, sure. But I don't buy that I'm supposed to be happy we made it to the last 16 when we could have accomplished so much more.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Hockey awards goals several minutes (of play) after they happen in the case of replays for pucks through the net, etc.

So I don't see why the game of soccer would have to stop for a replay of a goal review. Just keep playing, and add the goal if it ends up counting.

Then there is no "time" issue. The only thing lost is a kickoff.

 

[pardonme]

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Hockey awards goals several minutes (of play) after they happen in the case of replays for pucks through the net, etc.

So I don't see why the game of soccer would have to stop for a replay of a goal review. Just keep playing, and add the goal if it ends up counting.

Then there is no "time" issue. The only thing lost is a kickoff.

Hockey also adds the time back on and gives the faceoff at center ice. Part of the argument in soccer is that they want to keep the sport played with the same rules in the poorest countries as it is in the richest ones. If the game isn't televised there may not be access to a video feed for replay. Obiously the easiest solution that keeps it accessible to the poorest countries is to have a goal judge sit behind the goal.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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All of the missed goals this WC so far does make a case for replay, but I just don't see it happening. Refs miss calls all the time, and you just have to hope its somewhat evenly spread out and happening to everyone. I still think the US received worse calls than England.

England never played to their potential all tournament, esp Rooney. Germany has looked the better team the last two weeks. I just wish I'd been at Brits to hear the wailing

 

[JF_Gophers]

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I don't want changes throughout the sport. I'd only want the replay for goal line at the World Cup. You know, when everyone knows you are wrong/right because it is on TV, even in the poorest countries.

I can deal with missed offsides. No need to review those.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Hockey also adds the time back on and gives the faceoff at center ice. Part of the argument in soccer is that they want to keep the sport played with the same rules in the poorest countries as it is in the richest ones. If the game isn't televised there may not be access to a video feed for replay. Obiously the easiest solution that keeps it accessible to the poorest countries is to have a goal judge sit behind the goal.

I don't want changes throughout the sport. I'd only want the replay for goal line at the World Cup. You know, when everyone knows you are wrong/right because it is on TV, even in the poorest countries.

I can deal with missed offsides. No need to review those.

I think pardonme make a good point. What about World Cup qualifiers? Tell ireland they aren't as important. Now try to implement these changes to game is the heart of africa where they can barely afford it as is.

I'm not opposed to putting fifth and six officials on the opposite sides of the goal from the sideline refs. But video replay? No.

 

[WeWantMore]

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I think FIFA has more than enough money to pay for implementation in all confederations. It's all a matter of if they want to make the effort.

 

[burgie12]

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I don't want changes throughout the sport. I'd only want the replay for goal line at the World Cup. You know, when everyone knows you are wrong/right because it is on TV, even in the poorest countries.

I can deal with missed offsides. No need to review those.

Read as: I only want to fix the things that I feel are important in the tournaments that I feel are important. No need to worry about the Confederations Cup or the WC qualifiers or the domestic leagues. No need to worry about the offsides or cards or phantom fouls. The only things I care about are the ball going over the line in the WC. So that's the only thing we should try to fix. And, obviously, the easiest way to deal with this would be to institute a video replay, not to use a goal judge.

 

[Priceless]

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The ratings for the USA-GHA game were the same as for Games 1&2 of the NBA Finals. Yesterday's game pulled in 15 million viewers.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The ratings for the USA-GHA game were the same as for Games 1&2 of the NBA Finals. Yesterday's game pulled in 15 million viewers.

This is amazing news. I love it. I really, really hope this is the beginning of the acceptance of soccer. I doubt it, but it would be amazing if it was. Although, I wonder if they accounted for the mass viewings..?

 

[Priceless]

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This is amazing news. I love it. I really, really hope this is the beginning of the acceptance of soccer. I doubt it, but it would be amazing if it was. Although, I wonder if they accounted for the mass viewings..?

No, the ratings only take into account the TV sets tuned to the match...since that's how advertisers pay

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Read as: I only want to fix the things that I feel are important in the tournaments that I feel are important. No need to worry about the Confederations Cup or the WC qualifiers or the domestic leagues. No need to worry about the offsides or cards or phantom fouls. The only things I care about are the ball going over the line in the WC. So that's the only thing we should try to fix. And, obviously, the easiest way to deal with this would be to institute a video replay, not to use a goal judge.

No you should read it as: I know FIFA isn't going to make some sweeping change to their systems (extra ref, replay, etc.). So why not start with the most important event the sport has and go from there.

Ball going over the line or not is a clear cut easy to review item.

Hand ball is subjective call. So while Ireland has a gripe, its not guaranteed an extra ref calls it the other way.

Offsides, again mostly subjective unless its a mile off and those are rarely missed. It's the close ones that are missed.

Cards, again subjective. Replay isn't going to help with that, and another ref may just agree with the existing call.

Confed Cup has never been that important. Considering invitees have skipped it completely before I'm not the only one who thinks that. It's only important to Americans now because it happen to be televised and they did well. Going forward it may become more important, but who knows.

 

[Drew S.]

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Read as: I only want to fix the things that I feel are important in the tournaments that I feel are important. No need to worry about the Confederations Cup or the WC qualifiers or the domestic leagues. No need to worry about the offsides or cards or phantom fouls. The only things I care about are the ball going over the line in the WC. So that's the only thing we should try to fix. And, obviously, the easiest way to deal with this would be to institute a video replay, not to use a goal judge.

Every one of those things effects the outcome of a game though. I think even in the aftermath of what happened today that they should just leave it the way it is. The only thing I would support at all would be to put referees on the endline. I think once you have watched enough football you sort've accept that there are going to be games pretty much 100% decided by poor officiating and there is nothing you can do about it. Lamps 'goal' will get all the attention but what about the offsides call on Roo? What happens if England go 1-0 up or if the german defender fouls Roo and gets sent off? Its easy to say that the goal calls are the most important but I don't think thats always the case.

 

[Priceless]

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ESPN must be thrilled. The US is out. England are out. Italy and France didn't even qualify for the second round. Mexico might be out after today. Their ratings are about to plummet. They have to be hoping Germany or Spain make it it to a final against Brazil.