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World Soccer XIII: Through the Group Stages

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JohnN said:
One thing I've learned about the World Cup is that first game performance has absolutely no effect on second and third game performance and no one's ever been eliminated after the first game.
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Just to clarify, I'm not saying the points gained or lost in the first game are meaningless. A loss in any of the first three games makes advancing very hard.

What I'm saying is you can't judge a team's form going forward on how they do in the first game. I think JF_Gophers assessment of the Group is pretty good, but he is assuming Argentina is going to win the Group and the rest of the teams are playing for second. That's a big assumption based on a single goal by an unmarked player.
 
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England had too many bad performances by individuals to overcome the United States.

The midfield for England for the most part was non existent.

If we're talking about deserved reds, Findley should have been sent off with a straight red for his studs up challenge to Gerrard. That was Scholes-esqe. It wasn't malicious but it was ridiculously stupid.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
England had too many bad performances by individuals to overcome the United States.

The midfield for England for the most part was non existent.

If we're talking about deserved reds, Findley should have been sent off with a straight red for his studs up challenge to Gerrard. That was Scholes-esqe. It wasn't malicious but it was ridiculously stupid.
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I thought Findley's tackle was a carbon copy of the one Gerrard was booked for in the 61st. I'm fine with sending people off for high boot, studs up challenges, but it cuts both ways.

Edit: Dempsey also took studs to his thigh.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
If we're talking about deserved reds, Findley should have been sent off with a straight red for his studs up challenge to Gerrard. That was Scholes-esqe. It wasn't malicious but it was ridiculously stupid.
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That play wasn't remotely different than the studs up challenge by (Gerrard?).
 
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What the people watching in England saw when Gerrard scored.

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Whoops.
 
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Slap Shot said:
That play wasn't remotely different than the studs up challenge by (Gerrard?).
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You mean the high boot that got the ball and then Dempsey? High boots happen, they're yellows.

Findley's was a dirty tackle, it could have snapped an ankle. Studs up tackles and high boots are not remotely the same thing.
 
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Slap Shot said:
That play wasn't remotely different than the studs up challenge by (Gerrard?).
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That was very different. Gerrard plays for England, therefore anything less than shooting a guy in the head should not be called. Whereas Findley plays for the USA, and as such should be honored to be allowed on the pitch with the mighty warriors from England. He gets a card for having the audacity to even look a British player in the eyes.
 
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Priceless said:
That was very different. Gerrard plays for England, therefore anything less than shooting a guy in the head should not be called. Whereas Findley plays for the USA, and as such should be honored to be allowed on the pitch with the mighty warriors from England. He gets a card for having the audacity to even look a British player in the eyes.
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In addition, Dempsey should have thanked Gerrard for choosing him to be the recipient of such a tackle, as not many people get to experience that honor.
 
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WeWantMore said:
In addition, Dempsey should have thanked Gerrard for choosing him to be the recipient of such a tackle, as not many people get to experience that honor.
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Wasn't it Gerrard who Dempsey spun into knots, getting free for the kick that became the US's goal? He might be thanking him for that, as well. :D (PS: Where was the rest of England's defense on that play? Dempsey takes six or seven full seconds spinning Gerrard around; no one took a single step to put any more pressure on him.)
 
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Priceless said:
That was very different. Gerrard plays for England, therefore anything less than shooting a guy in the head should not be called. Whereas Findley plays for the USA, and as such should be honored to be allowed on the pitch with the mighty warriors from England. He gets a card for having the audacity to even look a British player in the eyes.
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Don't they use arrows still in honor of the great English win at Agincourt? I'm pretty sure that was the last time the English won something without the Scots doing all the work anyway.
 
Terrierbyassociation said:
You mean the high boot that got the ball and then Dempsey? High boots happen, they're yellows.
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Except that he didn't get the ball. And I apologize if I have the wrong yellow, but there was an identical studs up challenge by England that go no sniff of the ball. If it wasn't Gerrard then my bad, but there was definitely a nearly exact play.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Except that he didn't get the ball. And I apologize if I have the wrong yellow, but there was an identical studs up challenge by England that go no sniff of the ball. If it wasn't Gerrard then my bad, but there was definitely a nearly exact play.
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Not Gerrard. I'll look through the gamecast and try and find the play you're talking about.

Gerrard got his for a high boot that kicked the ball, and then got Dempsey in the thigh.

Edit: maybe you're thinking Carragher's yellow, but the boot he has up doesn't touch Findley. It was definitely a yellow card worthy tackle. But slightly different from Findley's.
 
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Tomorrow's games:

Serbia-Ghana should be a good one. There's a decent chance only one of these two goes through, so a win for either would be huge.

Algeria-Slovenia. I'm pretty sure I've never hoped for a 0-0 draw before. :D Of course it doesn't really matter, if we can't get four points from these two we deserve to come home early.

Germany-Australia. I can't imagine we saw Australia's best effort last Saturday and Germany has got pretty low expectations. This could be the expected 1-0 Germany win unless Neuer gets green hands. Then it could be 1-1.


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Here's a couple questions to quietly contemplate.

What are the only three World Cup teams that have their entire roster play in their own domestic league?

What is the only World Cup team that doesn't have a single domestic league player on their roster?

If you know it/looked it up, keep the answer to yourself and let others enjoy the question. :)
 
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Watched the game this morning here in Korea (at 4 AM). My semi-educated impression: We did OK in the first half, and showed some poise to settle down after the early goal. But in the second half we couldn't maintain possession and build to anything. It sure seemed like the whole half was played in our end. But other than the early goal, I think our defense answered most of the questions about whether it was tough enough (especially with Howard backing them up). After watching the Korea-Greece game last night, our game also seemed chippier and dirtier. I don't think there were any yellows in that game (or maybe 1), but there were 6 in ours and there could have been more (and a red).

It's always fun to be outside of the US during the world cup. The local stadium here in Suwon was showing the Korea game on the big screen, and the stadium was as full as it would have been for a live match. We watched the first half in a restaurant over dinner. We were the only patrons. As soon as they served us, the entire staff came out of the kitchen and watched the game over our shoulders. When Korea scored the first goal one of the waitresses grabbed a pot and started banging on it, cheering "DaeHan MinGuk!" Wild.
 
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Hopkinja said:
It's always fun to be outside of the US during the world cup.
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Agreed. I was in Germany for Italia 90, which the Germans won. Quite a party.


One of the things I remember wasn't really soccer related, but I'll always remember it. I was watching the semi-finals at my girlfriend's and at halftime they had an interview with Lothar Matthäus, the German captain. He'd said about five words and Michaela says, "I never knew Matthäus was from Erlangen", which is a town about 45 minutes away from us. I asked her how she knew he was from Erlangen and she said, "His accent. He's from Erlangen."
 
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