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World Soccer XIII: Through the Group Stages

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WeWantMore said:
Sure, but if they get up a goal early, they've usually earned that goal. Giving them an advantage by virtue of winning a skills competition is a different thing entirely.


I agree there is nothing wrong with ties. I'm not sure anyone suggested doing away with them in the first round.
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But with my suggestion you are creating action. If two sides are headed to a fifty-fifty penalty kick situation, they are both usually fine with that. If one team knew a tie meant a loss, we wouldn't see two teams kick the ball slowly back and forth for the last 15 minutes and then 30 minutes of "overtime" like we do now.

If you are going to loss based on the cruelty that is penalty kicks, wouldn't you want to know about it ahead of time so you can do something to prevent it?

Also, how many times have you heard commentators say, "What this game needs is a goal"? Well, with my suggestion the games got a goal!
 
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If you want a result without shootouts...

Why not have the 30 min OT but reduce the number of players on the field. Maybe go 7 on 7. That makes a lot of open field even if a team packs in to play defense.

A lot more games would get decided. That leaves team play in the equation.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Yeah, I just watched "Once In a Lifetime" for the first time today, a lot of players said they liked it better.
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That became one of the victims of the "Well it's not how they do it in Europe!" mentality that many people have in this country.

I've seen it used live. It's a bit of a B to manage as a referee (the player has five seconds and we didn't have a big clock to keep track of it for us) but I've always that of it as better. Gives an equal chance to both sides.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
That became one of the victims of the "Well it's not how they do it in Europe!" mentality that many people have in this country.
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The other way round too, a few Europeans I've seen hold the opinion of, "Well, the stupid Americans tried it, so it's definitely a bad idea."
 
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JohnN said:
But with my suggestion you are creating action. If two sides are headed to a fifty-fifty penalty kick situation, they are both usually fine with that. If one team knew a tie meant a loss, we wouldn't see two teams kick the ball slowly back and forth for the last 15 minutes and then 30 minutes of "overtime" like we do now.

If you are going to loss based on the cruelty that is penalty kicks, wouldn't you want to know about it ahead of time so you can do something to prevent it?

Also, how many times have you heard commentators say, "What this game needs is a goal"? Well, with my suggestion the games got a goal!
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In a sense, what your idea does is give the team that wins the pregame shootout a half-goal advantage. Not sure I like it, because it will impact the way the game is played just as the potential for a postgame shootout would, but it'll happen for every game that could potentially end in a shootout.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Oh, the one the NASL had? Pele himself that he thought it was better than penalties.
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Sounds virtually identical. I think the player started like 30 yards out and had 7(?) seconds to put a shot on net. The keeper was free to play it the way he normally would during a breakaway. It was a terrible way to decide league games to avoid offending the sensibilities of the guy in the Green Bay but would be infinitely more thrilling than a player blasting away from 10 yards and waiting for the first **** up.
 
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jmh said:
In a sense, what your idea does is give the team that wins the pregame shootout a half-goal advantage. Not sure I like it, because it will impact the way the game is played just as the potential for a postgame shootout would, but it'll happen for every game that could potentially end in a shootout.
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A better way of thinking about it, I think, is that a game is never tied, so coaches won't play uber-conservative like they currently do when a game is tied late in regulation. I agree that it would change how a game is played. I think it would be an improvement over the current system. Now we have both teams playing for a tie because they don't want to lose on a mistake. If both teams knew who won a tie, only one team would be playing for a tie, which would be more interesting and tactical than both teams playing for a tie.

I don't like the seven-on-seven idea because fewer players doesn't solve the problem. The problem is that coaches play very conservatively when one mistake means a loss.

I like two-on two better than seven-on-seven. If we want more room, let's get a lot more room. ;)


Hockey content: I remember back when the NHL went to four-on-four overtimes. There was a hall of famer, one of the Espositos, I think, being interviewed on CBC saying he loved the new overtimes because they were so much more exciting. Then the interviewer asked him why the NHL shouldn't just go to four-on-four for the entire sixty minutes if it was so much more exciting. Esposito just sits there with his mouth open for a few seconds and then says, "Well, I don't think we need that much excitement."
 
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JohnN said:
A better way of thinking about it, I think, is that a game is never tied, so coaches won't play uber-conservative like they currently do when a game is tied late in regulation. I agree that it would change how a game is played. I think it would be an improvement over the current system. Now we have both teams playing for a tie because they don't want to lose on a mistake. If both teams knew who won a tie, only one team would be playing for a tie, which would be more interesting and tactical than both teams playing for a tie.
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I dunno though, I think you're giving the team that wins the shootout an advantage that they don't really deserve.
 
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jmh said:
I dunno though, I think you're giving the team that wins the shootout an advantage that they don't really deserve.
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Not to be argumentative, but the current system gives the team that wins the shootout a victory that they don't really deserve. At least the advantage in my system can be overcome on the field.

I know what I'm suggesting isn't perfect, but I will argue it's better for fans than the status quo.
 
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JohnN said:
Not to be argumentative, but the current system gives the team that wins the shootout a victory that they don't really deserve. At least the advantage in my system can be overcome on the field.

I know what I'm suggesting isn't perfect, but I will argue it's better for fans than the status quo.
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True, but at least the 120 minutes of the game will be played on a level playing field and the shootout will only have any impact on the game as a means of last resort.
 
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France plays Mexico June 17.

Is it wrong to root for an asteroid to obliterate the stadium?
 
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I won't feel even remotely bad about rooting for France in that match.
 
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