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World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!

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Terrierbyassociation said:
1) Why does anyone else own the player besides the club? Does the USA for other sports also have joint ownership?

2) I don't know where to go with that analogy, except that you buy a car knowing a cop might requisition it for a police chase.

3) Not necessarily true, the car might depreciate in value due to the fact that they use it.
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But it's not a cop requisitioning the car for the police chase (which is a much more abnormal event than a high-level soccer player being called up to play internationally), it's more like your father using the car to make a shopping trip to Costco and bringing you back a bunch of groceries that you didn't have to pay for. Yeah, sometimes he gets in a fender-bender, but most of the time you come out ahead.

And I mean, if Johndoealdinho plays his club soccer domestically for Cruzeiro, and then he gets called up to play for Brazil in the World Cup and scores seven goals in six games, and he gets sold for 20 million pounds to Madrid or Inter or whoever, Cruzeiro collects a massive windfall due to the fact that the player was called up to play internationally. The CBF can't then go to Cruzeiro and say that they're responsible for that gain. So why is it that the national team should bear the financial risk of injury or poor performance, if the club is the financial beneficiary of good performance?
 
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There is probably not a lot that TBA and I agree on, but this is one of them. The club owns the player and pays them. By FIFA rules they have no choice but to loan the players to the national teams. The national teams make money off players that are not theirs. It only seems reasonable to me that if they get injured during international duty, the national team should pay a good share of the wages. The club teams should not have to pay for insurance either. The national teams should have to do that for the simple fact they are taking players they don't own.

To me its pretty simple, you borrow something and return it damaged, you have to pay for the damages.
 
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Scott W said:
The club owns the player and pays them.
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Except that the club doesn't actually "own" the player - not in the sense of property ownership. The club KNOWS before it signs the contract that its rights of "ownership" are limited by FIFA's rules and is well aware of the risk that a player will be hurt in international competition. If the club wants that risk to be covered, then they should go buy their own insurance to cover it.

Having a contract with a player is not ownership in a legal sense - that's where all these car analogies break down.
 
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Darren Bent just scored for Sunderland off Liverpool when his shot deflects off a balloon on the pitch and in. Fantastic!

I believe I heard TBA swearing from 3,000 miles away.
 
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The BBC is reporting that the balloon was thrown on the field by Liverpool supporters. Serves them right, then. Although I do admit to continuously refreshing this page to see TBA's upcoming rant. I hope it does not disappoint.

Sunderland definitely deserve their 1-0 lead at half though, Liverpool looks like garbage.
 
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The new song for Liverpool.

Couldn't find the clip in English. This'll do:

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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Couldn't find the clip in English. This'll do:

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*ding* fries are done. :p
 
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AMC said:
Darren Bent just scored for Sunderland off Liverpool when his shot deflects off a balloon on the pitch and in. Fantastic!

I believe I heard TBA swearing from 3,000 miles away.
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My first thought when I saw the replay was "boy, TBA is going to blow a gasket"...we can watch another 100 years, I don't think we'll see that happen again.

Up the Villa
 
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pirate said:
My first thought when I saw the replay was "boy, TBA is going to blow a gasket"...we can watch another 100 years, I don't think we'll see that happen again.

Up the Villa
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**** happens. But what the heck was up with Liverpool taking until the 84th minute to even putting a shot on target.

That's absurd.
 
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The bbc is now saying the goal was wrongfully allowed. Ref was brutally inexperienced though. I still can't believe on a Liverpool rush he blew the whistle to stop play even though he hurt himself and it wasn't a head injury. And he didn't understand the concept of "advantage."

Doesn't matter, Liverpool played like crap.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
The bbc is now saying the goal was wrongfully allowed. Ref was brutally inexperienced though. I still can't believe on a Liverpool rush he blew the whistle to stop play even though he hurt himself and it wasn't a head injury. And he didn't understand the concept of "advantage."

Doesn't matter, Liverpool played like crap.
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I'm kind of surprised they let it stand, but I guess where it was a liverpool supporter who threw it on the pitch fair play.
 
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Drew S. said:
I'm kind of surprised they let it stand, but I guess where it was a liverpool supporter who threw it on the pitch fair play.
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It's not supposed to matter who threw it. FIFA rule:

"The referee stops, suspends or terminates the match because of outside interference of any kind."

He was supposed to stop the play and have a drop ball.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
It's not supposed to matter who threw it. FIFA rule:

"The referee stops, suspends or terminates the match because of outside interference of any kind."

He was supposed to stop the play and have a drop ball.
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Yeah, I don't disagree with what the rule book says, but I think if it was a Sunderland supporter who threw it on the field the ref probably blows for it. Its weird that this goal was allowed to stand as was the one against city a few years ago in the FA cup.
 
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Drew S. said:
Yeah, I don't disagree with what the rule book says, but I think if it was a Sunderland supporter who threw it on the field the ref probably blows for it. Its weird that this goal was allowed to stand as was the one against city a few years ago in the FA cup.
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I have mixed feelings.

For one, how is the official supposed to know who threw it?

But second, the ball came on the field before play moved into the box, the keeper had time to remove it. And, failing its removal, when is the official supposed to blow the whistle? Sunderland had the ball in a scoring position, is he supposed to stop play? If so, what is the recourse for Sunderland?
 
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AMC said:
I have mixed feelings.

For one, how is the official supposed to know who threw it?

But second, the ball came on the field before play moved into the box, the keeper had time to remove it. And, failing its removal, when is the official supposed to blow the whistle? Sunderland had the ball in a scoring position, is he supposed to stop play? If so, what is the recourse for Sunderland?
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Well the guy stopped Liverpool in scoring position because a Sunderland player hurt himself behind the play, so I guess the ref didn't think that was part of the problem.

What if Reina went out to move the balloon and they scored on him then? It hadn't been on the pitch for even a minute when it happened. He wouldn't have been able to make any argument if he was caught out of net moving it.
 
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Drew S. said:
I'm kind of surprised they let it stand, but I guess where it was a liverpool supporter who threw it on the pitch fair play.
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if play was in play, it has to stand.

though they should have obviously stopped play and removed the big red ball. duh.

funny how play always stops in fenway when one of those stupid beach balls falls out of the bleachers and into center field. then the ushers come escort whomever it was that hit it out.

hilarious though to see the kick come and that big red ball laying right there!!! :D
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Well the guy stopped Liverpool in scoring position because a Sunderland player hurt himself behind the play, so I guess the ref didn't think that was part of the problem.

What if Reina went out to move the balloon and they scored on him then? It hadn't been on the pitch for even a minute when it happened. He wouldn't have been able to make any argument if he was caught out of net moving it.
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Come on, its not like they were going to score without gerrard and torres on the pitch:p

I think its kind of a hard break but its tough for me to feel very sorry where it was a liverpool supporter who threw it on the pitch.
 
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