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Wisconsin Women's Hockey 2023-2024

ARM said:
That's what I saw, too. The puck wasn't there, the goalie lost her balance from the contact, and the shot was in the net before she ever got back to her initial position. Bottom line is that whether the call was right/wrong and Wisconsin won by four or five, Friday's game will start at 0-0 either way.
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An interesting "case study" that made me think about what "in the crease" really means to a deeper extent.
 
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ARM said:
That's what I saw, too. The puck wasn't there, the goalie lost her balance from the contact, and the shot was in the net before she ever got back to her initial position. Bottom line is that whether the call was right/wrong and Wisconsin won by four or five, Friday's game will start at 0-0 either way.
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It is awfully hard to score so getting a goal unjustly taken away is a bad deal.
 
ARM said:
That's what I saw, too. The puck wasn't there, the goalie lost her balance from the contact, and the shot was in the net before she ever got back to her initial position. Bottom line is that whether the call was right/wrong and Wisconsin won by four or five, Friday's game will start at 0-0 either way.
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LOL

So... I just looked at the video one more time. Yes, Gorbatenko's stick briefly comes in contact with Nordstrom's skate... AFTER Nordstrom had already started dropping into her butterfly, in anticipation of the shot that doesn't get through to her. By the time that contact happens, Nordstrom is essentially already on her knees.

The idea that the contact with her skate knocks her off balance is just silly.
 
robertearle said:
So... I just looked at the video one more time. Yes, Gorbatenko's stick briefly comes in contact with Nordstrom's skate... AFTER Nordstrom had already started dropping into her butterfly, in anticipation of the shot that doesn't get through to her. By the time that contact happens, Nordstrom is essentially already on her knees.
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Did UW have more than one goal disallowed? The replay I saw shown a few times (3rd period, scoreboard showed 3-0 during the replay, didn't see it live, loonnnggg review), the goalie winds up over to her left from where she started. Not just down. If you're saying that she was already heading to her left, okay.

Timothy, I get the "hard to score" part. UM scored twice in the first eight or so minutes and then didn't score for the eternity that followed. Except for one almost goal on a 2nd period PP that was called good on the ice and nullified upon review ... for goalie interference. If the stripes say it isn't a goal, then it isn't. Anything else is just our opinion.
 
ARM said:
Did UW have more than one goal disallowed? The replay I saw shown a few times (3rd period, scoreboard showed 3-0 during the replay, didn't see it live, loonnnggg review), the goalie winds up over to her left from where she started. Not just down. If you're saying that she was already heading to her left, okay.

Timothy, I get the "hard to score" part. UM scored twice in the first eight or so minutes and then didn't score for the eternity that followed. Except for one almost goal on a 2nd period PP that was called good on the ice and nullified upon review ... for goalie interference. If the stripes say it isn't a goal, then it isn't. Anything else is just our opinion.
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Yes, Gorbatenko contacts the St L goalie, knocking her stick out of het hand and knocking her off balance. But it wasn't the contact with the goalie's skate, as the post you agreed with stated it was that put her off-balance.

As I quoted earlier, if an attacker contacts a goalie's glove or stick, etc, when the goalie is holding that equipment out over normal ice and not the blue ice of the crease, that contact is NOT necessarily illegal, and is NOT automatically a reason to disallow the goal. The paragraph I quoted from the rule book earlier looks to me to apply to this situation quite well. Outside the blue ice, Gorbatenko crossing in front of the goal and hits the handle end of the goalie's stick, knocking the stick out of her hand and knocking her off balance. "Rights of the Attacking Player – Attacking players who are outside of the crease have some rights to the space they occupy. In cases when an attacking player makes contact with goaltender’s equipment that extends outside the plane of the crease (e.g., glove, blocker, stick, etc.), provided that the attacking player does not initiate distinct and deliberate actions aimed at impeding the goaltender’s use of their equipment (e.g., slashing the goaltender’s glove), this contact should be considered incidental and goals scored on such plays shall be allowed." Both the ice level camera view and the overhead camera make it quite clear that the contact with the goalie's stick happens when the stick is "outside the plane of the crease".
 
robertearle said:
But it wasn't the contact with the goalie's skate, as the post you agreed with stated it was that put her off-balance.
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In your judgement. And once you have a judgement call, it comes down to how the ref saw it. There isn't a reason for the UW forward's stick to be making contact with the pad/skate of the goalie, and at that point, I doubt she gets much benefit of the doubt. That's how I saw it, silly though it may be.
 
ARM said:
In your judgement. And once you have a judgement call, it comes down to how the ref saw it. There isn't a reason for the UW forward's stick to be making contact with the pad/skate of the goalie, and at that point, I doubt she gets much benefit of the doubt. That's how I saw it, silly though it may be.
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And once more, the ref saw it live as a good goal. Meaning the video has to be irrefutable, etc, before you reverse the call on the ice. The paragraph from the current rule book I quoted along with the video seems like a pretty darn good refutation.
 
robertearle said:
Yes, Gorbatenko contacts the St L goalie, knocking her stick out of het hand and knocking her off balance. But it wasn't the contact with the goalie's skate, as the post you agreed with stated it was that put her off-balance.
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I believe the post you are referring to is mine. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say it knocked her off balance. All I said was that there was contact with her skate. Just seeing the contact could sway an officials decision, whether it actually affected the play or not.
 
TJ77 said:
I believe the post you are referring to is mine. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say it knocked her off balance. All I said was that there was contact with her skate. Just seeing the contact could sway an officials decision, whether it actually affected the play or not.
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You said "It was Gorbatenko's stick that made contact with her skate/pad."

Arlen replied "That's what I saw, too. The puck wasn't there, the goalie lost her balance from the contact ...", and I inferred that the "contact" he was referring to was the stick hitting the skate. My inference was apparently incorrect (though I think understandable).
 
It was nice to hear how MJs bench presence has a calming influence on the team. A stark contrast to the way some other coaches handle themselves.
 
Timothy A said:
It was nice to hear how MJs bench presence has a calming influence on the team. A stark contrast to the way some other coaches handle themselves.
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I can't believe you'd talk about Scanlan or Harrington like that. I mean the later just retired, have some respect! /j ;)
 
One of the refs tonight is the woman ref from last week vs St Lawrence. The male ref from last week is thankfully not there. A second woman. Chelsea Rapin from last week, and Courtney Drennen

She decided to call trips this week. :-)
 
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