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Wisconsin vs Total Recall

Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall

Lets take a look at some quotes from your "source":

"This is what's really happening in Klamath--call it rural cleansing--and it's repeating itself in environmental battles across the country. Indeed, the goal of many environmental groups--from the Sierra Club to the Oregon Natural Resources Council--is no longer to protect nature. It's to expunge humans from the countryside."

Or

" Mrs. Palin has, for millions of Americans, become a symbol of a reformist average Jane, a working mom, ready to take on the Washington they detest"

Like the millions of Americans for Palin schtick.
 
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FreshFish said:
Now that we are nearly two years into Gov Walker's reforms, how well have they worked?

According to one source,



Walker's speech at the convention tonight is scheduled for just before 9 PM (EDST); Chris Christie gives the keynote speech tonight after Mrs. Romney talks at 10 PM (EDST).
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If I stop making my house payment...my total cash flow will improve significantly. I like the logic.
 
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5mn_Major said:
If I stop making my house payment...my total cash flow will improve significantly. I like the logic.
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It's like what Mondale said about Reagan. "He writes hundreds of billions in checks and takes credit for all the nice things he bought... just before the checks bounce."
 
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5mn_Major said:
If I stop making my house payment...my total cash flow will improve significantly. I like the logic.
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there's no "logic" in your reply....a better response would have been something like "ah, if I refinance my mortgage to a lower rate, my total cash flow improves."


The weirdest thing about all this is that it should be the progressives who see all government services become subservient to public sector employee payroll and benefit costs trying to rein them in so that other social services can be preserved.

Apparently very few people understand the ramifications of pension accounting. Annual pension accruals escalate every year, they do not remain level.
 
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FreshFish said:
there's no "logic" in your reply....a better response would have been something like "ah, if I refinance my mortgage to a lower rate, my total cash flow improves."
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No. The assumption in policy evaluation below is that there is just one dimension under consideration...savings...and your post assumes there is no potential of any other impacts. Good luck with savings being the only evaluation criteria.
 
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5mn_Major said:
No. The assumption in policy evaluation below is that there is just one dimension under consideration...savings...and your post assumes there is no potential of any other impacts. Good luck with savings being the only evaluation criteria.
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When wages have been stagnant, and commodities prices increasing, impending tax increases hitting in 2013, the single largest factor in most peoples' evaluations will be the cost savings.
 
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St. Clown said:
When wages have been stagnant, and commodities prices increasing, impending tax increases hitting in 2013, the single largest factor in most peoples' evaluations will be the cost savings.
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The two biggest considerations should be cost savings AND quality of education (which drives our long term viabililty) in any case. Not making any claims on the impact on the quality...but the analysis included cost savings as the only and full blown measure of whether the policy was successful or not.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The two biggest considerations should be cost savings AND quality of education (which drives our long term viabililty) in any case. Not making any claims on the impact on the quality...but the analysis included cost savings as the only and full blown measure of whether the policy was successful or not.
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You want quality of education? How about starting by determining the jobs based upon the quality of work, rather than the quantity of employment time. Also, open up the jobs to teachers who don't want to enter a collective bargaining agreement. That will improve education by miles.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You want quality of education? How about starting by determining the jobs based upon the quality of work, rather than the quantity of employment time. Also, open up the jobs to teachers who don't want to enter a collective bargaining agreement. That will improve education by miles.
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At least I want it to be considered in policy.
 
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall

FlagDUDE08 said:
The only thing considered in his policy is fattening the wallets of his union boss cronies that got him elected.
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Don't forget about the campaign donations that will result from the fat wallets
 
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall

No one has yet answered the challenge question:

a) pension accruals escalate every year
b) pension accruals are taking up more and more of state budgets
c) progressives supposedly want state budgets to be devoted to feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, providing care to the sick and lame
d) why aren't progressives in the forefront of reining in pension costs so that there is enough money to tend to important progressive objectives?





PS I also am in favor of feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, providing care to the sick and lame. I do not agree that we must have government programs in order to accomplish those aims; in fact, I have argued (quite cogently :) ) that government programs perpetuate the problems they ostensibly are supposed to solve.
 
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall

FreshFish said:
No one has yet answered the challenge question:
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IPERS is pretty well funded. 40% is paid by the employee, 60% by the state. Right now to collect a full pension, you have to hit the rule of 88 (age plus years of service, with a minimum of 7 years of service to vest). I'm fully expecting that to increase to the rule of 94 or so by the time my wife and I retire.

Sorry, fixing state pensions can be done the same way social security can be fixed, upping the retirement age by 5 years or so over the long term. (oh, and not raiding the funds to cover shortfalls elsewhere. I have no sympathy for state governments that did that and now must pay the piper).
 
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Scott Walker's reforms win another election in Wisconsin.

[C]onservative Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Patience Roggensack handily defeated union-backed candidate and Marquette University law professor Ed Fallone, with some 57% of the vote.

The vote means conservatives retain 4-3 control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court. The next two justices up for reelection on the court will be from its liberal wing, which means that after yesterday's win conservatives are likely to maintain or extend their majority for years to come.
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