Wisconsin vs Total Recall

[Foxton]

Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall

It really comes down to some pretty simple logic. If you have the choice of (A) paying an extra $1000 per year, every year, in real estate taxes so that your next door neighbor who happens to be a teacher can get her annual pay raises and never have to pay for healthcare insurance and retire early with a huge pension; or (B) you can have your real estate taxes drop and your next door neighbor teacher gets a little bit smaller pay raise and has to pay a few more bucks a month for healthcare, but STILL gets way better pay and benefits than you, then what's your choice gonna be? Unless you're a Public Union worker or family member or a complete idiot, you're gonna go with choice (B)

It's all so clear now, thanks for explaining.

 

[geezer]

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By 'other differences' do you mean teacher unions? I don't think you need a masters degree to teach anything until you get to High School at the earliest. As far as 1st grade, you could take the top ten graduating high school seniors to teach k-3.

in MI you just need a bachelors, and a teaching certificate (basically one semester of practice) to teach HS.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Senate Majority Leader Fitzgerald defends his seat.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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[unofan]

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The people of WI have spoken - and they have spoken LOUD and CLEAR that they are SICK and TIRED of paying for the lavish lifestyles of Public Sector Union Workers! The jig's up folks and just count yourselves lucky you ripped the taxpayers off for so long.

Lavish lifestyles, huh? Yeah, those public sector employees driving camrys and honda civics are sure livin' large.

Comfortable? Sure. Lavish? Not a chance.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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As far as 1st grade, you could take the top ten graduating high school seniors to teach k-3.

Great idea, because I know enough that I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable doing it.

 

[WeWantMore]

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State Sen. Petrowski retains his seat as well. 2 seats to go...

Edit: Sen. Moulton wins too. 1 race to go, could be a clean sweep. Wis Dems State Convention this weekend looking like a fun time.

 

[TimP]

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Such rubbish. Oh well, back to irrelevence for you, Wisconsin!

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I'm starting to think it's about time to begin avoiding a big rural chunk of my family. We met them on Memorial Day weekend to place urns in the local cemeteries, and they had a humungous Walker sign in their driveway. For me, whose entire career was spent at the University of Wisconsin, that sign is no different that them telling me I'm a useless, overpaid bum. And the same for my wife, and my sister, and my brother-in-law. And it's particularly sad considering how much public medical assistance this family has had over the years. Probably in the millions. Still, it all comes down to Jesus, and since they really, really believe in Jesus, and Jesus loves Scott Walker, that's all that matters. Eff the poor, just not their poor. I think it's just better that I not mingle with them anymore.

You don't understand the difference between you being useless and overpaid and you being equal to the private sector equivalent and therefore should be paid similar, not significantly better?

 

[MadTownSioux]

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also - ....apparently 119% voter turn-out in madison

how does that possibly happen?

From what I heard: 100 Percent is the number who voted in the last election. Anything above that is people who have never voted, who registered and voted today. E.G. people REALLY tired of the constant recalls.

Edit - sorry stated that inaccurately. 100 percent is the number of registered voters.

 

[Old Pio]

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Geez, I'd like to have ten bucks for every time one of these lib crepe hangers mentioned the Citizens United decision. A decision which ended a long and unconstitutional limitation on political speech. Again, my mind is probably wandering, but I don't recall any big concerns about "outside money" over the years from Democrats. Back in the days when the AFofL/CIO's Committee on Political Education could throw unlimited amounts of money and "donations in kind" into political races, I'm pretty sure there was no complaining.

Al Barkum was the long time head of COPE and he famously said they use the money: "to reward our friends and punish our enemies." Exactly.

 

[St. Clown]

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Such rubbish. Oh well, back to irrelevence for you, Wisconsin!

So they'll basically be like everything coming from your mouth and finger tips.

 

[Carter]

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You don't understand the difference between you being useless and overpaid and you being equal to the private sector equivalent and therefore should be paid similar, not significantly better?

Not that you would know whereof you speak, but I was not overpaid and certainly not paid better than the private sector. Do you realize how stupid that sounds when you have absolutely zero knowledge of my years in the system, my advancements, my responsibilities, hell, even my salary? In short, you know nothing, but don't let that stop you.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Not that you would know whereof you speak, but I was not overpaid and certainly not paid better than the private sector. Do you realize how stupid that sounds when you have absolutely zero knowledge of my years in the system, my advancements, my responsibilities, hell, even my salary? In short, you know nothing, but don't let that stop you.

And you know nothing about me, you are but one person, the fact that you think you are not overpaid does not change the facts that in general the public sector is doing significantly better than the private sector.

 

[Old Pio]

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A nine point win isn't exactly "too close to call," is it? Wonder where the impression came from.

 

[LynahFan]

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Honest question: How did the Dems manage to get 900,000 signatures but only 1.1M votes? Seems like they were really effective in "getting out the signatures" - why didn't that translate into votes?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Honest question: How did the Dems manage to get 900,000 signatures but only 1.1M votes? Seems like they were really effective in "getting out the signatures" - why didn't that translate into votes?

because that 900k is inflated, its documented that 15-20% of those listed had some kind of error...only 670k people voted in the democratic primary, 80% of the signature total is 720k, 1.1 mil today...interesting to think about I guess.

 

[Plante26]

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Recall elections have consequences.

 

[Twitch Boy]

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With 100 percent of precincts in, Democrat John Lehman has won the District 21 race by 779 votes, which would give the Dems a 17-16 majority in the state Senate if it holds up to a recount.

Getcha popcorn ready.

 

[Old Pio]

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With 100 percent of precincts in, Democrat John Lehman has won the District 21 race by 779 votes, which would give the Dems a 17-16 majority in the state Senate if it holds up to a recount.

Getcha popcorn ready.

Could be interesting. On the other hand, will all the senate Democrats be as willing to go over the cliff now as they were before, even if they take control of the senate? Also, as I understand it 13 Senate seats will be contested in November. This change in control of the senate might impact on what transpires in the upcoming special session, but it shouldn't have any impact on Walker's reforms, which are already law.